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Host Drew Pinsky: Tonight, a mother is accused of throwing her autistic son off the bridge and killing him. (
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Unidentified male spokesperson: She said she heard 6-year-
Husband in the waterPINSKY (voice-over)
Now the mother blogger is on suicide watch. (END VIDEO CLIP)PINSKY (voice-over)
There is also a sexual controversy at Harvard.
Students taking anal sex courses. We will explain.
Let's start. (END VIDEO CLIP)(END VIDEOTAPE)
Good evening everyone.
My colleague and I are here.
Host Schacher Samantha.
And what we're reporting isyear-
The old mother was charged with murder after the police said she threw 6-year-
An old son with autism came down the bridge and she called the police 911 herself. Take a look. (Start Video)(
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Male spokesman: we have the possibility of water rescue. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Unidentified male reporter: The accused mother, Gillian McKay, appeared in court for the first time 18 hours ago, with a bail of $1 million.
Rescue workers in 34-year-
The old man called 911 and reported that she had brought 6-year-
The old boy went to the middle of the bridge and threw him from the side into the cold water below. (
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Unidentified male spokesman: threw her son off the bridge.
She said she heard a 6-year-
The old man in the water, she can't handle it. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Unidentified male reporter: McCabe describes the sound she heard when her son died. (
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Unidentified male: Miss McCabe, it's very important that you don't talk to anyone about the case. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Unidentified male reporter: McKay was almost silent during the video trial. (END VIDEOTAPE)
Pinsky: very sad.
Some of the photos came from Facebook.
Join us Vanessa Barnett from Hiphollywood. com.
I also have social commentator Leeann tweetden, who is the host of the blog Radio "Tomboys" podcast.
Kelvin Washington, a social commentator and radio host.
Sam, what can we do now?
Samantha SCHACHER, HLN host: Dr.
Drew, such a heartbreaking and disturbing story.
But the Aquina Bay Bridge is down 133 feet from Newport, Oregon. OK? The 6-year-
Before he was found, the body of the old is was in the water for four hours.
Gillian's family says she has a mental illness.
Gillian's husband was also diagnosed with multiple hardening and was unable to work.
Their marriage has been tense for some time, but it seems to be male from recent circumstances.
Pinsky: Gillian's mother, Gillian McKay, sat down about a year ago.
She sat down for an interview about her difficulties.
It was posted on YouTube.
Let's take a look. (
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Geely's mother was crescent-YEAR-
Old autistic son outside the bridge: I lost a lot.
But I held it together.
I have a son with severe autism and I have been very sad for years.
Now I have a husband with a disability and I feel lonely.
And I suddenly felt like I was the caregiver and I didn't feel like I was a complete person. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Pinsky: Vanessa, I think that interview is a bit confusing.
The whole situation is also chaotic.
Vanessa Barnett, a social commentator: Well, it's very confusing because, first of all, there's no reason to kill your child.
I know we have been talking about mental illness.
Normally I am not a person who will ship with such a huge term and I feel it still needs to be defined so much.
But we know she is. -
She recorded mental illness.
And, they really explored so many options that she hit a few doors on her face.
She sought public and private assistance.
They tried to put her in the facility.
They were patient. they refused. -
They had to let her go because the temporary inpatient would not take her.
So, she really wants to figure out, when it comes to mental health ---
Pinsky: I'm going to tell you Vanessa, we have to figure out what mental health issues this is.
But other than that, I don't-
We will depreciate it further.
But I would bet that the resources provided to her were somewhat limited due to lack of insurance or state funding or other reasons.
Li An, you are nodding your head. do you agree?
LEEANN tweetden, social commentator: Well, I mean, Dr.
Drew, you never killed your child.
Sorry, you know my best friend Danni, you have finished our podcast, she has an autistic son who loves that boy more than anything in the world, thought about killing him.
There are always other options.
And, look, everyone is dealing with difficulties.
My best friend has breast cancer.
Her daughter has just had leukemia but you won't want to kill yourself or your child. There is just --
This is not an option.
I would like to read something, a statement about the death of the autism self-promotion network Linda mckabee.
"We urge the media to remember how culpable it is for parents or caregivers to kill their children and to avoid treating the murder of children as a family burden.
Don't make excuses to kill your child just because you are hard or stressed. Never an excuse.
Barnett: But you can't ignore the fact that she has mental health problems. PINSKY:Yes.
We don't even know that.
Pinsky: We will discuss it.
This is a key part of the story.
You know, I agree with you.
Sam, do you agree?
I agree with Vanessa.
Look, when I first heard the story, Ang Lee, I'm with you, right.
We just saw a tweet. someone said someone threw it. -
Throw her, this mother, off the bridge.
I think so too.
Then, when I looked at her background story, I saw that she was considered mentally ill and was kicked out of treatment or discharged from a number of different treatment centers. PINSKY:Yes.
SCHACHER: Her family is also involved. -Pinsky: or left-Or left. (CROSSTALK)
SCHACHER: Wait a minute.
But if so, what a good example, a terrible example, not how important it is ---
We have better mental health resources in this country.
Pinsky: Absolutely--
Sam, you're singing for the choir.
But I don't think there will be these in Kelvin, do you?
Kelvin Washington, a social commentator: Well, you know what an interesting point people are making.
Sam has just made a good point that more mental health awareness is needed and more funding is needed for this.
But I find it very strange. One thing that makes me very strange is where is this family? -
It's not that they're guilty, it's where they are--
They know she has some challenges.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
Washington: Don't the family want to jump in?
When she said I would sometimes think of making a Thelma and Louise, we all know what that means and drive off the cliff. SCHACHER:Yes. PINSKY:Yes.
Washington: that's a signal.
She said when she closed the door to build a car.
This is what she said publicly. SCHACHER:Right.
Washington: So, I'm a little worried, maybe there's nothing to take care of and give her time to recover.
Barnett: but this family has done so much. -
They did it. (CROSSTALK)
Let me show you.
Hey Vanessa, wait. Let me --let me --
Vanessa, I want to read one of them to you and I think one of the family members reported her mental health issues.
They didn't specify what they were, but they did say the quote "very bad.
And, she should be sent to the State Hospital, which means some very serious, chronic problems like mental division.
She should be there for six months.
She ended up living in a house but was discharged early.
This is the part that people need to pay attention. If --
She has not been treated for months.
Anyone, if you're in--
In chronic or any type of institution, you are told by a professional that you need more care, that you will not have any care, or that you have a hearing to get yourself out of that care, it will get very bad.
And family, you have to get a consular ship (ph)
In order to control these situations, you must do what you can.
A large part of mental illness is lack of insight and lack of awareness of your problems.
So every decision you make is affected by the patient's brain.
So you can't let someone do it yourself or their children ---Vanessa.
Barnett: most importantly, these families are not educated.
Some people looked at the man and said, "she looks better, maybe she is better.
"They don't know there's more going on in her head.
They don't know how to help.
They don't know--(CROSSTALK)Tweetden: come on.
The family admitted they knew she had a problem. (CROSSTALK)
If your husband is diagnosed with M. S.
High, full pressure, maybe they go--
Let's take the boy.
Let's fix it for you.
Where is the family?
Where is the community? PINSKY:Kelvin.
Washington: do we question any motives for the video she recently released, in a way to get something, so if this tragedy happens, she may defend the madness.
That's what she can do. -
Because we can all say, you know her. -
I want to tell you that she likes this kind of attention.
First of all, Kelvin, thank you for being Evy--Evy tonight.
Kelvin's role this evening.
I appreciate it.
Looking for sinister in various situations. That is OK.
But look, when you--
These are difficult and challenging situations.
Now we have more victims. We really do.
SCHACHER: Thank you.
We should not blame them.
The victim was the child.
Let's not forget that.
Barnett: of course. TWEEDEN:Please. He is dead.
Of course. PINSKY:Next.
I have learned more about this tragic story.
The diagnosis of the boy, the problem of the father, the influence of all this, the behavior Bureau is here.
Later, a woman offered her husband a "gift of sex ".
She gave him relatives every day for a year.
Yes, we will report this after that. (
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Unidentified male journalist: The accused mother, Gillian McKay, described the voice heard when his son died.
I take care of my son London and Matt full time.
Fortunately, we were out of work when Matt was fired.
I am applying for any help available.
I need your help.
I love my husband who has been taking care of myself and my son for years and now is the time for me to take the helm.
I'm scared. I'm reaching out.
I hope I am not considered rubbish or reactionary.
I must now explore various ways to take care of my family. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Pinsky: go back with Sam.
We're talking about mother, so
Accused of murder.
Police say she's six-year-
Autistic old man on the bridgeVery sad story.
Let's bring the bureau in.
Clinical psychologist, Judy he, professor at the University of peperding;
Erica America, therapist, TV host
Wendy Walsh, psychologist, 30-Day Love Detox.
"Now, I want to show you something.
I interviewed Sheila Shea.
This is a six-dollar mom. year-
The son is dead.
Sheila heard her voice and was mentally ill.
She was eventually found guilty of mental disorder.
But I want you to know how this happened. Watch this. (
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Mother Sheila Shea: I think if--
If I kill my kids and commit suicide, no one will hurt them.
I think at least I will be kind. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Pisky: you have a mom, Judy, so-
Call her and she is mentally ill, thinking that she killed her son and saved her child from some sort of paranoid illusion.
She's going to kill everyone, including herself.
Is this probably the same thing?
Judy he, clinical psychologist and professor at peperding University: I don't think so, doctor. Drew.
I think we have some leads that can point to other things that happen in this case.
I think one of them is-
One of them was the mother's desperation over the overwhelming responsibility to take care of two disabled people in the family.
Is it stressful?
So there's a lot of pressure. HO:Absolutely. PINSKY:OK. All right. And what else?
Mr. Hu: Yes, so this is the first one.
The second is all the clues.
Let her try to get resources and have problems with that.
Multiple records show that she was exposed to both private and public sources of mental health care and financial care, but she was all rejected.
Pinsky: Well, it's--see --that --
I doubt it.
Wendy, I'm worried about.
There are not enough resources, but I am also concerned that people are not using the resources available.
I mean, she went to a mass sharing site.
Their opening remarks are about a crowd sharing financial websites. Right, Sam?
Where she tried to raise money. SCHACHER:Yes.
Pinsky: Of course there is no mental health resource in Oregon. SCHACHER:Right.
When she went to the University of California
Com and ask for $50,000, please keep in mind that her husband broke her out--
Pinsky: but although they live together, then he has M. S.
Someone is taking care of him.
Well, she was--
She thinks she needs help. -
But no, I understand--
I know, but Wendy, do you know what I got here?
I mean she didn't use the system she liked.
Dr. Wendy Walsh. D.
Psychologist: she did not use the system
Because she doesn't even have the ability to understand the system and to use it.
This is a woman with mental illness. Let me tell you. I have a Ph. D.
I worked very hard to get some services from my daughter that were a little small in scope.
And, figuring out the system almost killed me. OK?
You go there. Yes. PINSKY:OK.
Walsh: So, imagine that a person with mental illness may not have the resources or education to take advantage of the services there.
But she knows the mass sourcing because it is feasible for her.
Pinsky: because that's social media.
People talk about this, but they don't talk about this complexity or bureaucracy of the mental health system.
You all have fun streaking looks, Erica, but Erica, especially you.
Moderator and therapist erica america: Yes, I think this is actually a kind, loyal mother who is really trying her best to deal with the increasing stress between her husband and her son.
When she reached out, she even said on YouTube that she had committed suicide.
Everyone tried to help her.
Unfortunately, it did not succeed.
And, I think she's become mentally ill, you know she has the illusion, the illusion, the voice, and what she's doing is like the interview you're showing, and that's it. PINSKY:But --right.
America: so, because--
Do I think she did it on purpose?
Of course, is she guilty of doing this?
Yes, it was terrible, but I think she was crazy at the time.
But Judy, you're going to say, yes, that's because--
I mean, don't you think we're under pressure? -HO:Yes.
Pinsky: you end up with some sort of mental state of mind.
My other question is, does everyone know what a suicide vest is? They said --
They said she was wearing a suicide vest.
I don't even know what that is.
Do you know?
No, this is strange.
Pinsky: It's strange.
Judy, you shake your head about Erica's psychiatric theory. HO:Yes.
I don't think it is necessary to do things here.
Pisky: The vest is there.
HO: I think the stress she's going through might make her so eager to get rid of something she can't deal with anymore, right?
Pinsky: this is the case ---Sam.
That's her baby.
This is a terrible thing. PINSKY:Sam.
Oh, my God. OK.
So, the question to the panel is, if she suffers from hearing and illusion, do you know that the mentality of asking for help is appropriate?
Or you rely entirely on the people around you. PINSKY:No.
Walsh: of course not. PINSKY:Look.
I think Wendy makes a lot of sense.
I hate the bureaucracy of the government.
Wendy, I pay tribute to you for trying to work.
But I can't imagine it's almost impossible if you're sick. SCHACHER:Right. WALSH:Yes.
This is very, very impossible for me.
It took me two years.
Drew fought the system and was rejected.
Moreover, it is very difficult for me to have wisdom and availability.
So, my heart broke for this woman, and I felt like we all failed her a bit.
Now, husband ---
I agree, Wendy. I agree. PINSKY:--
Matt wrote about the challenges of marriage and having an autistic son, as well as his multiple hardening diagnosis, with hardening being an autoimmune attack in certain parts of the brain.
Everyone saw him express his feelings on social media.
This is his blog.
Quote "some of you know that some people don't know, Geely and I are separated now. Life happens.
We are still together, but separated.
Although it is difficult, life is unique. "Right, Sam? I do not, I --
My only question, doctor.
Drew, in all this, if the family knew and believed me, I didn't want to bash the family because they did try to help her get some treatment after the research I saw.
They tried it. Yes.
SCHACHER: But why would she allow custody of the child if they knew she was suffering?
This is a big problem.
SCHACHER: where did the father come in from in all this?
Pinsky: this is--
For those who are trying to understand at home, there are two messages to take home. A.
Everyone was killed by stigma.
Shame brought about by mental illness.
It really hurts people if you can't stand up and say "I have a mental illness and need help.
Or, if you go to a facility and go to "I really don't want to stay here because I don't need this" it's a response to shame.
This is the first. Number two --
Sorry, three points, the resources are hard to get, especially my mental health.
People don't seem to understand--
How dangerous these conditions are.
Finally, if you do get the resources and you have a professional team to advise you, listen to the letter they told you. HO:Yes.
Don't just cut corners and think you know better.
It will end in a disaster.
Next, we have an activity called Sex Week at Harvard University.
This is a controversy on campus.
Yes, everyone has a course on anal sex.
This has caused quite a lot of controversy.
Later gifts continue to be given.
A couple, one who prepared a surprise birthday present for her husband.
After that, do they continue or not, or do they continue. (
Business break)
Pinsky: back to Sam, Vanessa, Ang Lee and Kelvin.
This is the most news on Weibo tonight. It is so-
Sex Week at Harvard University
Courses and seminars are offered by student groups, involving Kinkynacy (ph)
Close relationship.
Okay, Sam, what is this? --
Sorry to be Greg Bre (ph)--
What is the syllabus for this week?
Okay, doctor. Drew.
Let's take a look and we make the brown girl do a good job.
A weird expat mix, sexy, I know, lost your virginity concept, exotic jungle mania, 50 false tangles, fantasies, fetishism and love, web culture.
PINSKY: Then what attracts us is the eyes, what it is, what's on the ass, 101 anal sex.
Here is a reproduction of the description of the class. Here you go. (
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Unidentified women: learn everything about anal sex from experts with good vibrations. A sex-
The shop is located in Brookline.
They eliminate the myth about anal sex and let you know why people do it and how to do it well.
They will cover a wide range of topics, including anal anatomy and happy potential for all genders, how to talk about it with a partner, basic preparation and hygiene, breasts, anal toys, safer sex, anal penetration for beginners and more people.
Learn the fact that this exciting but often misunderstood form of happiness.
Find out the common mistakes people make and answer all your questions. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Pinsky: this is a repeat.
I really don't know what to say. -Vanessa. (LAUGHTER)
Barnett: First of all, what's in the ass is actually a song.
It's supposed to be Grammy nominated, or what, what's on the ass, what's on the ass-PINSKY:OK. All right. We are good.
Barnett: I think I have to give it to you.
Pinsky: I didn't get the light, but I got the light. (CROSSTALK)
Barnett: Secondly, I am very satisfied with this matter. I love this.
Pinsky: are you on the boat too? BARNETT:I am.
Since I still like that sex education needs to be improved and just changed, I hope you ---
Unfortunately, or fortunately, you have to keep a Jones and Jones.
I just want to apologize to my grandmother because today is her birthday and I know she is watching and I am very sorry for this conversation.
But you see, if you don't want to know about anal sex, it's easy not to sign up for the course.
But there is a simple fact that there is a course that allows us to know that people are curious and they want to know more and they want to explore more. PINSKY:But--all right.
Let me ask Lee, we--
Is Harvard going to put this up?
Can't they go anywhere online?
Tweetden: Thank you.
Or they can't go. -that store --the sex store?
They will certainly hold a symposium. TWEEDEN:OK.
First of all, the world's best and brightest Harvard and Ivy League are teaching at Harvard.
And, you will tell me that we are young and young people who become scholars, they are not children, need to learn lubricants and toys and what they need to do?
I think Harvard needs to worry about educating students.
They are not educated in sex education.
Let's face it. These are children. they are all online.
I'm sure it's not the first time they look up, curious, look up on Google or on YouTube.
Why did Harvard do this? PINSKY:Sam. SCHACHER:OK.
That's right. that's my problem.
I 'd rather receive it--
But Harvard is--
This is an educational institution.
I want them more. -
Anal education?
But Sam--
I 'd rather them--
Let me finish my presentation.
I 'd rather let them know how to do anal sex safely than look it up on Google. Drew.
Look, everyone has different types of sex.
And I'm not just talking about singles or straight couples. What about the same? sex couples.
If they are interested in doing so in a very safe and responsible way, why can't they go?
Why can't this education be provided?
Thank God, my parents have a net. PINSKY:But --Kelvin --
Kelvin has--
Harvard has one of the nation's top medical schools.
They go to the bigger balloon hospital and they can get professionals in and give them all the clinical background training to help them understand ---
Tweetden: Thank you.
Pinsky: Really, there's a potential problem.
Tweetden: No, sex toys. -
I agree with that.
Pinsky: It's not from people who sell sex toys.
I agree with that. WASHINGTON:Yes.
Well, you know, as far as Sam is concerned, you know, for every one of his own.
Some people, that's what they do.
I will not be an expert on this particular topic. But --(LAUGHING)TWEEDEN:Yikes!
What I want to say is that education is always a good thing.
However, as far as Ang Lee is concerned, we can do more work in Harvard education.
We can cure the Ebola virus.
Tweetden: Thank you.
Washington: We can help the economy now. we can do more and better things in Harvard education.
I know young people, you know, need to understand how to be happy-
Enjoy the pleasant things.
Pinsky: Okay. -
Washington: but it must be a bit--
I'm with Kelvin.
And, Vanessa, it's still her way.
Sorry, Grandma.
Pisky: Vanessa, go ahead.
We will finish this. Go ahead. TWEEDEN:Sorry.
Barnett: If you want to learn, you have to learn from the best people.
Outside Harvard. -(CROSSTALK)
Pinsky: Vanessa, I'm going to talk to a student who put this on in a second.
This is something I am very worried about because it is not supervised by health professionals.
We will talk to her and how she handled the dispute.
Later, a year of daily sex.
Take our poll on Facebook page, Facebook page drdrewhln, for example, whether a year a day is a good thing or a bad thing.
Will you do that?
We have spouses who do this. Come back after this. (
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Unidentified women: 50 kinds of false, distorted, fantasy, and fetish, we will explore what is called taboo topic in sexual behavior, that is, weirdness.
Munch, Harvard's kink and alternative groups, will showcase kink through the 50 most popular gray lenses of all time.
This presentation will try to expose and correct the inaccuracies and book descriptions of kink. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Pinsky: Oh, I hope they don't just find out the inaccuracies in the tangle, because that book has caused me a lot of problems.
But, of course, it's a re-enactment.
Back to Sam and our Bureau of conduct, Judy, Erica and Wendy.
This is one of the sex week courses offered by Harvard University every year.
Another class that caused controversy, which we discussed in the last part--
According to Vanessa, from the song "What, what's on the ass", anal sex is 101. (LAUGHTER)
Now, Wendy, I want-
Again, I'm going to talk to the women who organized this event, and what I'm worried about is that I don't know if it's supervised by student health or blocked --
Or introduced by health professionals.
Walsh: I agree with you. Drew.
I think it's great to use sexy, exciting headlines because it attracts these young people.
If they want to call it "50 degree Gray", I call it "50 degree abuse", or "what, what's on the ass "---
Pinsky: Thank you. WALSH:--
Anyway, in order for them to show up and then slide on education and good medical knowledge, of course they can do that.
Pinsky: Erica, will you go to such an event when you are in college? SCHACHER:OK.
USA: Yes, I just found out in the last paragraph that Harvard did not really manage the program in this statement.
So that changed my opinion a little bit.
But before I see this, I would like to thank Nikki Mina, Kim Kardashian, who is all about loot these days.
People are talking about it, people are talking about anal sex, why not talk about it in an educational way in a prestigious place like Harvard.
I don't think it's a problem.
Pinsky: But Erica, would you go to these classes if you were in college? (LAUGHTER)
Yes, I think I will. PINSKY:OK.
America: I think I just want to know because I don't know anything about it. So, yes. WALSH:Dr. Drew --
America: I don't want anyone to say, Google-
I don't believe that.
I believe in Harvard. PINSKY:Wendy?
Walsh: Harvard wants to ensure that future world leaders reach their full potential. -PINSKY:OK. Yes. WALSH:--
No intestinal perforationPINSKY:Well --
America: you go there.
Pinsky: Again, I don't want to get into a specific field.
I'm not sure it's a fit--
But everyone is the real person who graduated from Harvard, the person who has sex.
You're a doctor.
You can use these terms.
Pinsky: I know, I'm thinking about the blood supply in this area and what you guys need ---
What people need to know.
But this is not like the result of the perforation.
Judy, handle it for me. HO:OK.
Well, I think it's great to be at Harvard because they are actually premiere agencies that can do that. But it is -that is -
But this does not involve healthcare professionals.
They do. PINSKY:And --
And, not only is it healthcare professionals, Judy, but there's a lot of experience about this, it's about relationships.
I mean, you guys should pay special attention to this as a mental health professional.
This is an opportunity to talk about these nuances and difficulties and why people do something --
How can people re-
I was scarred by these experiences.
This is the case. PINSKY:Sam?
But doctor.
Drew, if the "what, what's on the ass" course is led by a healthcare professional, would you have a different view on that? PINSKY:I would.
That's why--
Fair enough. PINSKY:--
That's why I asked Kirin Gupta.
She is a junior at Harvard. She is the co-
The founder of the group that organized the event.
Kirin, you have--who --
I have a lot of problems to ask
Moreover, I am confused about many things.
Who taught these courses?
Keeling Gupta
Harvard Sex Week organizer: OK.
So this course is actually the responsibility of a healthcare professional.
It happens to be a sex educator, in-
Good Vibration from sex education. PINSKY:Hold on. Hold on.
Because there is a big difference between Kirin health educators and clinical training professionals. SCHACHER:Right.
Pinsky: these are completely different things.
So here you have a health educator jumping in and you don't understand anyone has any clinical experience.
But go ahead, is this received, is it controversial, is it going well?
Gupta: So Sex Week is a week. Long initiative.
In addition, it started with a group led by clinicians in the health services department of the university.
Pinsky: that's even better.
Gupta: That's sex. Ed workshop.
So, this is-
It's like an introduction to all the different sexual behaviors and behaviors, in the form of NCC and sexual behaviors that we will discuss in a week. PINSKY:OK.
Your clinical team is here. So, they --
I have a question.
Wendy, what do you say?
Walsh: Well, you know, there's a lot of emphasis on improving sexual desire, frequent sex and all sorts of sex.
Do you also cover those who are trying to practice a virgin or sexual act?
Is this supposed to be morbid or do you teach it as well?
Good question.
Gupta: So, the second workshop after the first clinician group is actually, "I'm a virgin and I'm an abstinence workshop.
"So it started Monday night. AMERICA:Great.
Gupta: So, that Seminar was--
Erica, you have--
I'm sorry, I'm looking at a response from our panelists to you as you speak.
Erica, you seem a little disgusted with this.
What are you thinking?
Or you look like this.
Maybe I was wrong.
No, hate?
Well, you look a little bit.
America: No, no, I just--
I just thought it was interesting.
I just think they did a good job--
You know, I just--I was --
I thought it was all the responsibility of health professionals.
So I will do a little bit more on that.
But I think what she said makes sense as well, and I think they offer a wide variety of anal sex and virginity. Yes. PINSKY:Judy?
Walsh: That's the scope. PINSKY:Judy?
I just wanted to say it was really great.
You can use it in conjunction with apps like Tinder, because that way you can be like-minded people in abstinence or sexual approaches. (LAUGHTER)
Pinsky: Again, we are entering the territory of this good territory that I am not sure about.
Walsh: Wait, what about a virgin with anal sex?
Is that why they did this? AMERICA:Oh, no. (CROSSTALK)
But you know what? -
But you know what?
Kirin, let me ask you, this is--
You know, I talked to many young people over the years. -
Specific people have a specific religious orientation and will retain their virginity for this behavior, which is indeed problematic.
Did you say all this? GUPTA:OK.
So, what we did, we knew we were talking about sex and sex at the Harvard sex brigade. -Initiative. And I do -
I want to make it clear.
We do have a lot of clinicians involved. We have (INAUDIBLE)
Who come and talk to us, they always have you (INAUDIBLE)
Working with us, we work with our university health services. Sexual --
Engaged in sexual assault and violence prevention.
We work in different places. (INAUDIBLE)
Then adult service.
Okay, I feel-
I feel like FYI. -I just -
I feel much better about the whole thing if I can say.
So do I.
Walsh: It sounds very positive.
PINSKY: Not only is sex positive, but nuances are also being explored and clinical reality is being explored.
Moreover, aggression and sexual assault against women are so great on campus.
Now you can't. -
In fact, you are in this situation again.
However, my question to you is, what kind of criticism have you received and how have you responded?
Exactly.
Gupta: So, we 've been responding to a lot of criticism when we came in, because I think it's very single and focused on "what, what's in the ass "seminar is the only one that's running, or the only one that's being offered, and people don't think Harvard Sex Week is a whole business, but are teaching--
There are various discussions about different forms of sexual decision-making this weekend.
What Harvard sex education does is to open a conversation about sex, intimacy on our campus, to talk about sex and sexuality in a way that does not forgive any kind of sexual decision-making, but just emphasize that all of this needs to be done with consent, and if you have a sexual partner, it doesn't matter if you don't have a sexual partner.
But all of this needs to be done by consensus ---PINSKY:Erica?
Gupta: we are all thinking about how to end-AMERICA:Yes.
Kirin, you're great. You're so good-
You speak smart, everything is smart, but come on, you say the name ---
You know people would love to arm up with the name, "What, what's on the ass?
"It may just be called anal sex.
And I think one can even get
"What, what's on the ass.
"So, like I think you guys know it's going to get a lot of attention, it's kind of called it.
Pinsky: I'm going to drop a bit from the point of view of attracting attention.
But, you know, maybe they want the kids in the door, you know? SCHACHER:Yes.
Pinsky: You know, do something provocative to keep this discussion going. What do you say?
Gupta: Sure. Absolutely.
I 'd say we--
There must be something very provocative about sex week, because we do want to bring people into the house.
We want to bring people into the room and we want people to be excited to talk about it and not be shy to talk about sex and sex.
Because what I think is the worst-
One of the things I worry about most about college campuses is sex, it's just being talked about in a shameful way.
People go out and look for it online or at dark places or parties.
This is a lot of sexual assault happening in our camp.
And how a lot of sexual violence is happening, and people are reluctant to have frank and open discussions about why it happens. PINSKY:Sam.
Gupta: I don't want students in our school garden to get all the information about anal sex from viruses or pornography.
Keeling. PINSKY:Right. Right. Right.
It's important that I agree with you.
Kirin, what is the reaction of the student's body, are they involved in the sexual week? GUPTA:Yes.
So I really think-
I thought about it. -
I went to the workshop yesterday.
And, seeing the entire hockey team and the entire group of professional students in the same room, I was really fascinated ---
A group of people on our campusSCHACHER:Wow.
Gupta: I don't think I 've ever seen these two organizations in the same room. (LAUGHTER)
Pinsky: OK, that's good.
Okay, listen.
Kirin, thank you for making this clear.
I started with a place that wasn't very happy and I feel so much better about you-
The week you organized
So, pay tribute to you.
Next is a new topic about sex and sex.
We have a woman who has had sex with her husband every day for a year.
Why does she think this is the perfect gift for any couple. Come back after this. (
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Unidentified male reporter: Charla Muller has had sex with her husband every day for a year.
Brad Mueller, Charlie's husband: in fact, I turned her down if you can believe it.
I am not sure if she is serious or not and fully consider the impact of the service she provides.
Charla muller promises to have sex with his husband every day of the year: intimacy really slips away from our list of priorities.
And, it's a way, though it's a weird and crazy way to put it back on top of the list again.
We average 26 to 28 days a month.
Not long every day-
Sustainable development model, but there is almost no intimate relationship. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Pinsky: I'm back with Sam, Lee, Kelvin, with us, Emily Morse, sex --
Relationship expert, host of the "fuck Emily" podcast on iTunes.
The woman you just heard, she had a lot of information and questions in her last statement.
She gave her husband 365 days of sex on his 40 th birthday.
Before that, she said that they only eat twice a month, and at the end of the year after the year she gave him, they averaged-
Managed to maintain 26 times a month.
So 26 days in 30 days.
Emily, is this a good model?
She said something interesting.
She said it is difficult to maintain close relationships for 365 days a year.
I think she meant emotional intimacy.
And then she said the model, in this strange way, the 365-day sex model is not necessarily a good model for everyone.
Emily Morse, an expert in sex and relations: No, it's--
Yes, I think it will scare a lot of people away.
I'm thinking, I can't-
If we can do it once a month, not 365 days, we are lucky.
PINSKY: It sounds bad once a month. (LAUGHTER)
Morse: what it brings up is that the couple put--
They put sex in a secondary position.
They don't value intimacy. And, people --
Couples need to be close to have a healthy, growing relationship, but, they don't realize, you know, kids, they have kids, they have jobs, in their lives, they had other things going on and they just thought, "Oh, we'll come back to sex.
"It's been too long. they're not close anymore. it's a disaster.
Pinsky: Well, Emily, that's what you said just now.
Lee really responded to this. Like kids --back burner? Oh my God.
Laundry Service. PINSKY:Laundry. (LAUGHTER)
But soon after.
PINSKY: deployment.
What he said was--
Yeah, deployment, not sex, you know. MORSE:Yes. Exactly.
You were forced to separate, but a tweet said it sounded like a common gift, which I thought was interesting. And, Dr.
Drew, you and I talked about this before. PINSKY:Yes.
Sometimes I think, you know, pretend before you succeed.
Sometimes you don't always like it. You are tired.
Both of you work hard.
You put the kids to bed. You make dinner.
You are really tired, you are really tired, but sometimes you just need to be close to your partner, for both of you.
This is good for your relationship.
Good for your health. It is like --
"Oh yes, that's why we have children.
That's why we are.
I'm not saying there are 365 days a year because I don't think it's realistic for any relationship.
But once a month, you're right.
This is also a problem, Drew.
Pinsky: I think
Emily, you said the same thing Leeann said, right?
Morse: I mean, you definitely have to prioritize your intimacy and sex in your relationship.
Because couples, everything else is a priority, children, their lives, their work.
But what people don't realize is that when you don't prioritize intimacy, your relationship crashes because it's the glue to your relationship. PINSKY:Sam?
I agree.
Look, I think it's crucial to have sex in a relationship.
But 365 days.
Drew, how tired.
I mean, can she give me some of her stamina? (LAUGHTER)
Morse: To be honest, there are 28 out of 31.
Pinsky: But Kelvin, Kelvin, how can these women come together to deal with us like this? How dare they?
Kelvin Washington: How dare they?
Sam, I believe you.
I think you can do that. (LAUGHTER)
SCHACHER: 365 days?
Washington: you know.
Sam, you are.
Washington: I think you have that ability.
But I will say that.
Drew, as a residential man on this special panel, on it, Lady! This is --
I'm proud of her. I think --
No, but anyone who is married or married.
They know you're busy.
You know, you do put things in a secondary position.
When you were young, you thought you knew I would never do that, which was amazing.
Sex is so important.
But it did happen.
I appreciate that she said that in doing so, it actually helped them to increase their intimacy in other parts of the relationship, or not only physically, but also between them, which is better
So, I appreciate it, but I think all the women watching this movie should try it out.
Just give it a try. (LAUGHTER)
Washington: There's nothing wrong with trying.
Pinsky: That's right.
Let's start in 30 days. PINSKY:Emily -
I want to say something there, but people-you and I --Emily --
Once a week on Loveline, you and I hear something crazy and people think, "Oh, the threesome will make things better, or I'll find him a stripper.
"These ideas are terrible.
This is not a terrible idea.
Morse: No, this is--No.
This is not a terrible idea.
I also want to say that intimacy doesn't just mean that you have a relationship with your partner.
This may mean that you kiss each other again and hold your hand before work, or before going to bed at night.
You massage each other.
It's not necessarily sex. It is just --
Intimacy means a lot of other things.
Pinsky: it will lead there. (LAUGHTER)
Morse: hope so!
Hope will.
SCHACHER: Does intimacy mean hugging a coach watching a Lifetime movie? Isn't that counted?
Morse: You know, sometimes it's possible to turn off the TV during that conversation. (LAUGHTER)
Sam, come on, Sam.
I'm joking. (CROSSTALK)
Sam, Sam, I know you need some advice, but Emily will show up after the show. (LAUGHTER)PINSKY:Next up.
Next, you will see--with Mark.
That's what you have to do.
Next, what are you talking about, the sex of the model all year round?
Also, our online voting results on our Facebook page. Come back after this. (
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Unidentified male Speaker: can you really do it if you do it every day?
I mean, it takes a lot of time, effort, some candles, some wine to do the right thing.
All kinds of things.
Can you really-yes, go ahead?
Oh, I will--
Male speaker: Yes. Go ahead.
I don't agree. PINSKY:OK.
Charla muller: I mean, I think one of the things we learned in a year, and I think that's what's reflected in 365 nights, that's true intimacy, you know, it is driven by real life.
Real life doesn't have candles and wine every night.
Sometimes it's a quick thing to lack a better word in real life. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Pinsky: I'm back with Sam, Lee, Kelvin and Emily.
I like the way the husband looks at her, "Do you mean bigger?
What are you talking about?
"SCHACHER: and, man, the quickies are good too.
Pinsky: Okay.
So, the question is, can you and--(CROSSTALK)
Pinsky: how dare you. (LAUGHTER)
Pinsky: can you have sex with your partner every day of the year?
You can participate in our vote on our Facebook page.
We will give you the final result in the after-sales display on the Facebook page.
Now, almost 60% say no, you can't do it in 365 days.
Sam, what else can you see on social media?
Okay, oh, my God.
I have a lot of interesting Facebook posts and tweets.
But from Janet, "after a year, my marriage is over, right? " (LAUGHTER)
SCHACHER: from Joy, "it's going to get very boring and mechanical very soon.
"Pinsky: Well, stop that, because Emily, this is one that a lot of people come up with, how do people avoid it if they work hard?
Morse: it would be great if they worked hard and they worked hard.
There are many different ways you can spice up your relationship.
One of the problems and reasons is that people like to put sex in a secondary position because they are bored.
Sex is routine in a relationship.
So try something new and do something different.
Have sex outside the bedroom.
I mean, there are a lot of differences.
PINSKY: Go to Kirin Gupta for a class at Harvard.
What do you say, Kelvin? (LAUGHTER)
Morse: so take some classes and do what you can.
People are always surprised that it becomes routine.
Because the first 6 to 12 months of a relationship are so amazing. SCHACHER:Right.
Morse: and, I think the only one who suffers, oh my God, is not good now.
Well, guess what, this happens to every couple who don't like to think sex may need a little work. PINSKY:Kelvin.
Yes.
Washington: What is--
I mean, you. -
You said it just now.
Season it, do something, and some scroll play. You know.
Sexy underwear.
Yes, some sexy underwear. Maybe --
Maybe for us guys, we're watching the game, maybe you can click on the game--
This is a foreplay. (CROSSTALK)
Washington: Baby, you turn the game off and you said the fourth quarter is here.
I don't know. you do things like this.
Let it begin.
To be honest, I think this is a good idea.
I think everyone should get A for trying this. PINSKY:Yes. Yes. MORSE:Agreed.
Washington: I don't agree with everyone who says it's boring.
Just give it a try.
Sam, what else did you bring?
Okay, but doctor.
Drew, first of all, will you come out in your clothes and a stethoscope? MORSE:Nice. PINSKY:Yes --
I did it again, you--
The next one is Sam. (CROSSTALK)
Morse: It's the best performance. it's a very primitive medical practice.
This is a very terrible thing.
This is a role play.
Morse: what's useful?
But Sam, what else do you have?
Okay, I have-
It's definitely Judy's.
Every day for many years, 44 years of marriage. PINSKY:Wow.
SCHACHER: from Michai's point of view, if you eat cake every day, it is no longer a dessert, but a kind of food.
Do you think Michai is male or female, Kelvin?
Washington: Missy is a man who is no longer excited about his wife.
That's what I think.
Someone is bitter.
Morse: a party.
Pinsky: Emily, you made me angry about this.
This is a sad thing when people reach this point.
As you said before, what they have to really pay attention to is glue.
Morse: it's glue, if you don't.
Then you're a roommate.
People think-
I think the most important part of the story is that everyone is caught up in 365 days.
What I really think is that this has drawn attention, and I think we are in a crisis, many marriages are in a sexual crisis, and they don't want to see it.
They don't want to see the fact.
This is a good point of view.
Very good view.
Pinsky: That's right.
Get signs of trouble.
But Lee, you just saw your favorite tweet.
Once a day?
My husband and I do it three or four times a day. Oh my gosh.
Morse: I saw it too. TWEEDEN:Wow!
I think you and I both giggled, Sam. SCHACHER:Yes.
Washington: Some
It may be some physical trouble that comes with it. (CROSSTALK)
Wendy told me when he left the room.
Remember that, she said. I said, oh, OK.
Women do need some rest time.
Let's say that.
Pinsky: you go there.
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