Display: HARDBALLDate: January 8, 2016 guest: Jennifer Rubin, Jeremy Peters, Molly, Hillary Clinton, Jay Newton
Moderators Dean stranchris Matthews, Moira de Mos Jr. , Laura rikiyadi: both the President and Secretary of State Clinton have called on Bernie Sanders on the issue of firearms.
This may be a matter of democracy.
Let's play hard ball. Good evening.
I'm Chris Matthews from Washington.
Secretary Clinton is now calling from California to respond to President Obama's remarks about denying his support for anyone, any candidate who refuses to support what he calls "common sense gun reform.
His spokesman Josh Earnest said this afternoon that this condition may apply to Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.
In his work, the president wrote
The New York Times today
"Even if I continue to take every action as president, I will take every action as a citizen.
I will not campaign, vote or support any candidate who does not support the reform of common sense guns, even in my own party.
If 90% of Americans who support common sense gun reform join me, we will choose the leadership we deserve . "
Well, it seems to be a clear attack on Bernie Sanders.
This is what President's press secretary Josh Earnest said today when asked about this. (
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White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest: I certainly noticed that Senator Sanders told one of your colleagues --slash-
Competitors here-when asked about this, he was keen to point out that Senator Sanders had made it clear that he was willing to reconsider the position.
That's our goal, right?
We want people to change their minds.
We want members of Congress to start taking different positions.
Again, I am not familiar with Senator Sanders's record, so that may be what he has said on many occasions before.
But if not, I'm ready to start getting some credit for changing some of the ideas of Congress.
Well, I-as I just admitted, I am not familiar with the ins and outs of his record.
But if he -- if Democratic voters across the country confirm that he's the Democratic nominee, and then I'm sure we're going to take some time here to get to know his record, and understand the agenda for his decision. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Matthews: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and I are on the phone now.
Thank you, Madam Secretary, for joining us.
What is the question between you and Senator Sanders?
Hillary Clinton (D-NY), FMR. SEC.
Candidates for state and President (via telephone)
I think the president's talking about it, Chris.
He made a strong statement on the urgent need to end the prevalence of gun violence in our country.
His new executive action includes the steps I advocated throughout the campaign.
As he said, voters should not support any candidate who does not support the reform of common sense guns.
We have to deal with the fact that 90 people are lost every day due to gun violence.
So the Democrats have a real choice here.
I think Democrats have to know that 10 years ago, gun safety advocates wanted gun manufacturers and sellers to have to go to court for reckless disregard for human life because, after all, if a car company sells an unsafe car, you can sue them for unsafe food, unsafe tools, unsafe toys.
Manufacturers can all be prosecuted.
So NRA wrote this bill saying no one can sue a gun maker or a gun seller and call it the most important pro
20 years of gun legislation
What really matters is that Senator Sanders voted with the gun lobby, and I voted against the gun lobby.
So it's a big difference, and it's important-you know, maybe it's time for Senator Sanders to stand up and say, I got it wrong. But he hasn`t.
He defended his vote again and again.
He said he would consider amending the law.
But you know that's three. ph)months ago.
There is no effort to introduce anything in Congress, and there is no effort to stand with those Democrats who want to abolish this, you know, irresponsible full exemption for voting for gun manufacturers and sellers.
Matthews: Madam Secretary of State, in the last few months we have seen the horror of mass shootings, do you think gun safety reform is the central issue of 2016?
Absolutely, Chris.
I fully agree with what President Obama said.
Guns should be at the center of the vote.
I have been talking about this throughout the campaign.
Of course, I proved this in the form of debate.
I think Senator Sanders is wrong about gun safety.
He was wrong. this is the main cause of death for young people in our country, especially young people in Africa --American men.
So this is a very clear choice in the Democratic primary.
Matthews: Let me ask you-you mentioned the first debate, when you did go through a list of items that you did not agree with his position on gun safety.
Would you like to see that list again?
I'm sure you're arguing, there's a pattern here.
CLINTON: Because Senator Sanders voted against the Brady Bill five times. Five times.
It is the main tool we take more than 2 million guns from fugitives, stalkers, people who shouldn't have them in the first place.
He voted against blocking the loophole.
In fact, he voted in favor of what we call the Charleston loophole, which led Charleston's murderer to get a gun three days later, although the background check has not yet been completed.
As the NRA itself said, he voted in favor of their most important priority in 20 years, namely, the exemption from liability to manufacturers and sellers.
So it's a model, it's a model that I 've been calling for, to vote for guns at American railroad and all the other places, because as a country, we have to do that, measures to safeguard common sense of gun safety.
In fact, Chris, the vast majority of Americans, and even most gun owners, support the platform that I have always advocated and supported the executive action outlined by the president.
Matthews: Senator Sanders, Madam Secretary of State, told my colleague Andrea Mitchell today that he did support President Obama's executive actions on gun safety.
Senator Sanders is here. (
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Bernie Sanders (D-VT)
Presidential candidate: You know, there are a lot of candidates in the House and in the Senate who may be opposed to sensible gun control legislation.
I happen not to be one of them.
I strongly support the executive order that the president is currently making. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: Well, he's there.
What do you think of this defense?
He said he is in line with the president, who is not the one the president is talking about.
He is not one of those who oppose the reform of common sense guns.
CLINTON: Well, that doesn't match his record.
Senator Sanders and I have some differences in policy. He cited (ph)
From his point of view, there is something going on this week.
Today, I take this opportunity to comment on our differences on firearms, based on the president's remarks.
My record is very clear about prevention.
Throughout the campaign, I have been calling for a strong fight against gun violence, big (ph)
Fighting on this issue because I am now running into family members of too many victims of gun violence, you know, it goes back to my time as first lady, running for senator.
We just saw too many guns dead. we can't wait.
Standing next to Senator Sanders, I have raised this issue before.
He refused to answer directly.
He can come up with legislation today to repeal exemptions for gun manufacturers and sellers.
I hope he can support real change with me and the president.
That's what I'm looking.
Matthews: Madam Secretary of State, I believe he said he would not change his mind at this point.
But thank you very much for coming to this show tonight.
Secretary Clinton, thank you for joining us.
Sam Stein works for Huffington Post, and of course he is a contributor to MSNBC and Jay Newton of Time magazine --
Small is the author of a great new book, wide impact.
"It's about women-there are very few word games there.
But let's talk about the fact that the Secretary of State hopes-to join the debate at a heated moment after the president wrote an article in The New York Times, josh Earnest basically pointed this out (ph)
In the direction of Bernie Sanders, understatement.
She's there.
I think it would be a good time for her to come to the show and make a point. But go ahead.
SAM Stein of SAM ingtonpost, MSNBC contributor: Well, I think I'm impressed with how motivated this issue is for the Democrats.
We see gun politics . . . . . . (CROSSTALK)
Matthews :. . . . . . The cause of progress.
MSNBC contributor: it is gradually . . . . . . Matthews: I mean . . . . . . (CROSSTALK)
Stein: given the repeated mass shooting or mass shooting, it has gradually become a progressive cause.
If you would like to use this wording, profile the shooting incident.
So aggressive for her, and pointing out what the actual differences are-they are substantial differences-but the way she pursues him, which is more aggressive than any other topic, it shows that her campaign team is also aware that this is an incredibly motivating issue on the basis of progress. MATTHEWS: Yes.
You know, one of the political rules I learned in this process-I like to update the list-is, go where your opponent can't go.
Of course, go where you think the policy is, but go to a policy that he or she can't follow.
Is it Vermont? The issue of gun rights, the issue of 2nd Amendment rights, is a traditional hot spot, not Ben and Jerry's Democrats, but those who have lived there for years, can't you mix up with the gunmen?
That's why she's doing it. he can't change his mind?
He said he would not change his mind.
He will retain immunity for gun manufacturers. JAY NEWTON-
Small, "Time": it's interesting because, you know, it's not so much a question of democratic and free progress as a question of the countryside and the city, right?
There are also many rural Democrats, such as Bernie Sanders, who supports NRA, who supports gun rights.
It is interesting that she has worked so hard to advance the work because the New Hampshire is a state-one of the states that really support gun rights. MATTHEWS: Yes. NEWTON-
Small: so she obviously bet that by working so hard she will get the Democratic vote.
Matthews: she's working on it-we're going to see how it works in Iowa and New Hampshire.
You're right. they're not the easiest state to go to today . . . . . .
Matthews: The problem with the gun.
But across the country, I think it's the Democratic winner.
Thank you anyway, Sam Stein.
Thank you, Chris.
Thank you, Jay Newton. Matthews. Small.
Thank you, Secretary Clinton.
Coming soon-Philadelphia police released a dramatic video of a police officer shot in West Philadelphia.
The gunman said he was inspired by ISIS.
Next, we will be talking to former Philadelphia mayor Ed Rendel and terrorism analyst Malcolm Nanes.
In addition, the documentary series attracted audiences all over the country.
Tonight, the producers behind "make the murderer" are here with us, as well as the defense counsel for the person convicted of murder.
Is 2016 a year with any results?
Donald Trump has hijacked the Republican Party, you can say 2016 Games, annoying conversations, and street fighters like Ted Cruz and Chris Christie must be in the mood.
Finally, "Let me finish" our trip to Israel last week.
This is the hard ball of politics. (
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Matthews: A strong employment report came out during the stock market turmoil this week, (INAUDIBLE)look at this!
The economy grew nearly 292,000 this month, with almost 300,000 jobs, showing strong growth in the country.
The unemployment rate remained unchanged at 5%.
But this afternoon, the stock market closed again, ending one of the worst market weeks ever.
The stock market in this country is somewhat abnormal.
We will be back soon. (
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Matthews: Welcome back to hard ball.
ISIS and terrorism are back in the headlines tonight in a violent way.
There was a play in Philadelphia last night.
Police say it was an assassination attempt.
They released a sad video today in which a man tried to ambush the police last night by shooting 11 times at a police officer, three of which were attacked.
After the officer was hit, the injured officer chased the gunman on foot.
It's all on tape.
He miraculously survived.
Authorities say gunmen told police during their detention that he pledged allegiance to the Islamic State. (
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Philadelphia Police Commander Richard Ross: The suspect is 30-year-
Old male from Aden (ph).
I believe he also has the address of Philadelphia.
He admitted that he committed this cowardly act in the name of Islam.
According to him, he believes that the police have defended the laws that violate the teachings of the Quran.
You can see the man go to the officer Harnett who has already shot.
The second shot. he's in the car.
He opened fire on Officer Hartnett and reached out his arm.
Officer Harnett was with us today and I was very surprised. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Matthews: That's the police chief in Philadelphia.
Police have identified the gunman, Edward Archer, who lives outside Philadelphia.
He has a tendency to commit crimes.
According to court documents, he is scheduled to be sentenced next week after being convicted of fraud.
But-oh, actually, he was arrested and charged in Philadelphia in 2013 for serious attacks, gun crimes, conspiracy and terrorist threats.
Last year, he admitted he was released on parole after carrying a gun without a license and a simple attack.
Well, the events of the previous night have already had repercussions in the campaign.
Ted Cruz in Iowa today(
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Presidential candidate: in Philadelphia today, a police officer has been shot many times by a man who tried to assassinate him, who has pledged allegiance to ISIS.
Thank God the police officer is still alive.
We pray for him and hope that he will recover quickly, and we thank him for his courage and courage in defending us.
But we need a clear and determined president.
Pay attention and understand the dangers we face.
I will tell you.
We will have a commander. in-
We will not weaken anyone, nor will we belittle anyone.
We will destroy ISIS completely! (
Cheers and applause)(END VIDEO CLIP)
Matthews: Malcolm Nanes is a terrorist analyst at MSNBC, Ed Rendell is the former governor of Pennsylvania and former mayor of Philadelphia.
Malcolm, thank you for joining us.
This guy-I just found some evidence that he has been in Egypt for 10 months recently.
We don't know what his radicalization phase is, like them.
What do you think of this case already?
Malcolm Nanes, an expert on terrorism at MSNBC: Well, this is obviously a self
Inspired radical evolution
The question is in that context, when did he actually start to engage with people who convince him that he needs to go home and act-you know, in conflict with a police officer, it may die in a violent way to further develop the Islam he believes in. MATTHEWS: Yes.
Thank you, Governor.
I don't know if I want to call you Sir.
It's the mayor again and it's one of the best jobs of your career, but you're a great person.
I used it with you. INAUDIBLE)
You know, "Pray for the City" is a wonderful book written by Bath bissingh, about the story of you going to the hospital after the police were shot dead.
The guy was hit three times and shot 11 times at close range, where you saw him have the courage and courage to catch up with the attacker with three bullets on his body.
I forgot about terrorism in this.
Talk about resilience! Look at this!
Wait, look at this (INAUDIBLE)
Out (INAUDIBLE)here he comes.
I mean, he was hit three times, look, he's still filming him!
He's stumbling after that guy over there!
Very impressive. Mr. Mayor? ED RENDELL (D), FMR. PA GOV.
MSNBC political analyst: Yes, he actually shot and killed the man and shot and wounded him to help him fall.
You see, first of all, it reminds us-in this era of controversy between citizens and the police, it reminds us of how difficult the police are to work.
In Philadelphia, thanks to Mayor Nat and former police chief Ramsey, there is a better race relationship and a better police and community relationship-even in Philadelphia, 200 times a year, the police were targeted by people who attacked them and wanted to violence with them-200 times. It`s amazing.
So this is the first lesson.
In the second lesson, we need to know more about it.
His mother told the police that he was mentally ill.
He was injured in the head by playing football and riding a motorcycle.
He was talking to himself recently and heard a voice.
They tried to get him in for medical help, but he wouldn't.
So there are a lot of games here.
I don't think we know.
Is he radical?
Is he doing this to get isis's attention?
As you said, did he do it according to the order, Chris?
I don't think we know enough about this issue to reach a clear conclusion.
Matthews: Like we said, it's amazing.
The mayor said the governor said he is still alive so far.
He was injured three times, but he was on it.
By the way, after the Archer shot, listen to the police radio.
Listen to these dramatic moments. (
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Jesse Hartnett of the Philadelphia Police Department: Several shots were fired. I`m shot.
I bleed too much.
911 Operator: all vehicles are on standby.
We have a 6-0 and Spruce. (END AUDIO CLIP)
Matthews: again, after his breath or a lot of bleeding, the officials in question went out to chase the man and shot him to justice.
Let me go back to expert Malcolm.
Is the question a man or-usually a man-really radical or will it be used as an emotional cover for public anger, how do you-is it important at this point?
If you go out and shoot the police, is it important that you just do some kind of deception for another motive, or if you say you're working for ISIS, is that really your motivation? rMD-
NBC terrorism analyst BO_MALCOLM NANCE: Well, I don't think it matters at all once you get to the point where you feel you're going to perform an action, in the name of ISIS, or in the name of some other factor, which makes you unable to control yourself.
The governor is right in some ways, and at this point, you know, the man set up an ambush on the 60 th and Spruce.
The street is narrow.
He could have walked two more blocks on Market Street or three more blocks where he could have chosen a police car that would have passed.
He had an operation in his head that he had decided to do, and he waited in the middle of the night for a police car to come in and do the proper attempt of this assassination.
Therefore, whatever his purpose is, he believes that he will take over the unit and that he will kill at least one police officer, regardless of his ideological motives.
We need to figure this out.
We need to figure out, is he going to be aggressive overseas, or is he part of the mental flaw found here? MATTHEWS: Yes.
Interestingly, it's not Market Street, it's not Chester Street, it's Spruce Street.
Thank you very much.
I like my geography.
Malcolm Nanes, thank you for being an expert.
And, Governor, you're always right, not just right once in a while.
You're always right.
I think it's a mistake.
Enjoy there, there's a splitsecond.
Anyway, on tonight's show, it's more about popular national politics, but, next, it's a documentary series that actually captures the interests of the country.
I will talk to the producers of Netflix's hit series "Make the murderer" and the lawyers of the people convicted of murder in the case.
This is the hard ball of politics. (
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Matthews: Welcome back to hard ball.
The popular New York Times saidpart docu-
Netflix's series called "Make the murderer" has caught the attention of a group of armchair detectives since it was released a week before Christmas.
The documentary tells an example of Steven Avery, a Wisconsin man who was wrongly convicted of sexual assault back in 1985.
After 18 years in prison, Avery was acquitted, but he was arrested and charged with the murder of a local photographer.
This has become a real-life phenomenon, and the gripping view has sparked arguments about whether Avery was charged with guilt or roughly treated by the local sheriff's department he was suing at the time.
This is the scene. (
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We told him that people might say it's just an effort to get rich and that private family matters are now open. Now, don't be too surprised if people say something about you that you 've never heard of before.
They're totally fake.
One thing we didn't tell him is that when you file a lawsuit against the sheriff's department in the community you are still living in, you have to be careful because you may end up being charged with murder
Do we still have bodies or anything?
Woman: I don't think so.
But we have Steven Avery in custody? (END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: Well, this documentary series talks about the defense lawyer's allegations of police misconduct and raises doubts about most of the evidence used to convict Avery.
So nearly 300,000 people signed a petition for President Obama's pardon for Avery.
But the White House announced that the president could not pardon him because it was a national event.
But criticism of the show has also made headlines, telling Avery's convicted prosecutor that filmmakers have concealed the facts and portrayed an unbalanced view of the case.
Yesterday, I spoke to the filmmakers Laura richiquadi and Moira Demus, who spent 10 years making the documentary. (Start Video)
Matthews: Laura, is there enough information if you look at the whole docu?
Series, if you look at it all the time, is there enough information for someone outside to decide Sir's innocence or guiltAvery?
Laura rikiyadi, filmmaker: No.
In fact, this is not our effort.
What we started with was a 30-
This year's story is basically one of Wisconsin's first DNA acquittal people, who was charged with a new crime two years after he was released from prison.
Interestingly, however, at that time
Avery was charged with a new offence, and he did have a federal lawsuit pending, and he was again charged with bringing a lawsuit against the county and its two former law enforcement officers.
So, the timing of the new
We and everything that happened before were interested in the arrest.
Matthews: I'm asking you this question, Moira.
Apparently, the people watching the show, almost 300,000 of them, think that there is enough hard information in your docu
Series of acquittal or acquittal.
That's how they saw it. 300,000 people signed the petition.
They don't want a new trial.
They want a pardon.
So, obviously, the way people watch this show, they come out and say this guy is a railroad.
Filmmaker moira demos "made the Murderer": Well, I think that shows that the American public does not have a firm understanding of the judicial process.
I mean, even if you see a petition online, you know, it says that they think Steven's due process has been violated and he should be pardoned.
If there is a violation of his due process, if they think so, the solution is to get him a fair trial.
So the problem with this series is not innocence or guilt.
The question is, is this a fair process?
MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask what you mean.
I think there's a hint.
You told me that any of you-the police abused the evidence, they made up the evidence, they somehow took a small bottle of blood from the defendant's previous case, they removed the key to his house so he would look guilty, the woman-the victim's car went to his house and made it look like he had something to do with it, they somehow put his sweat on the latch of the car?
I mean, doesn't that mean that the police are playing a game here to give a conviction to someone they might think is guilty of, but they are abusing the evidence outside to prove it, any of you?
RICCIARDI: Well, there are multiple theories in the defense, and actually, as you said, one of them is frame evidence, and Steven Avery seems to them to be framed by law enforcement officers.
What they have expressed to us in documentaries and in court is basically, this is their idea, the evidence they have provided.
This is one of the arguments they made to the jury.
But they also believe that, in essence, there is a cognitive bias in law enforcement.
They also argue that the forensic scientific evidence provided by the state is unreliable.
So there are a number of theories that the defense has put forward, but I think most people are talking about frame theory.
Matthews: In my opinion, if you suggest in your doctor that the police moved the key to the guy's house, they planted blood from the old charges of the crime lab, go in with a subcutaneous injection needle, take out the blood, and plant it somewhere, and now, the question of the accused or the convicted person is still pending, the sweat of Steven Avery on the latch.
How does the defense lawyer explain this fact?
Demo: you mean-it's funny that you mentioned it was sweat.
They don't know what it is. It`s…(CROSSTALK)MATTHEWS: DNA.
Not blood.
It's not a crime thing-what I'm trying to say is that it's impossible for the crime lab stuff to be used from previous cases.
This is true.
If the scene is a scene in the series, you will have the prosecution say that his DNA was found under the hood latch.
Then you have a cross.
Questioning of their witnesses
What was announced in court was that Nick Stalke, a witness at the crime lab, had been checking Steven's big Am, his private vehicle, and after checking, he went over and looked at the hood latch of the car, he did not change his gloves.
The defense believes there is a possibility of pollution.
This is not evidence of a real long walk in court.
So, it's not the one to get into this series.
Matthews: Let me ask you both.
A lot of your audience think that guy Stephen Avery, has passed here, according to the month-part docu-series.
Do you both believe it?
No, I'm not going to say I believe that.
The question I really think is, you know-first of all, it's not our exploration of whether Steven and Brendan Darcy have done it or not.
I mean, we really look at it on a more macro level.
We are talking about the whole system.
This is more procedural.
Matthews: So you have no opinion? RICCIARDI: No.
Matthews: I'll ask you one more question, Moira.
What do you think?
I don't know if Steven is innocent.
What I can see, as Laura said, is the process.
Is this a fair process?
Do I want to be treated as a defendant?
I can have my own opinion on this.
As a defendant, I hope to receive better treatment.
I don't want so many violations in my investigation and prosecution.
I don't want that much pre-trial publicity.
So the question is, can we rely on this sentence?
Matthews: speak well. (CROSSTALK)
Matthews: in other words, do you all think it might be better to have another trial?
RICCIARDI: Well, to be clear, Chris, I don't know if Steven Avery or Brendan Darcy has any responsibility for Teresa Halbach's death.
But if you ask me if I think the state is responsible in both cases, my answer is, my personal point of view-although I think our culture overestimates people's personal point of view-my point of view is no. MATTHEWS: OK. Well said.
Thank you so much for participating in the presentation of hard ball, Laura rikiyadi and Moira.
Thank you both for this great movie. (END VIDEOTAPE)
Matthews: Steven Avery's lawyer, Dean strong, is known as the most popular defense lawyer in the United States, in fact compared to Atticus Finch.
He joined me now.
Dean, it's a good thing compared to that.
Do you have any indication of what is the real crime or innocence of this man Steven Avery in this murder?
Dean strong, Steven Avery's lawyer: Chris, I have always had the same questions.
I'm not sure he's innocent.
I know that here I have never been persuaded to be guilty by anyone close to the burden of proof.
Matthews: What did his sweat DNA do on her car latch?
This is not sweat.
I mean, it's an argument.
There's his DNA in the trunk of the car.
Any other surface with his DNA can transfer it to that surface.
Matthews: That's why you said the police put a limit on him.
Matthews: I mean, someone will do that.
No, no, no, it's not intentional.
This is a good example of a transfer that could have happened inadvertently, simply polluting with latex gloves, touching his DNA, and then touching the surface. MATTHEWS: OK.
How did her key get into his house? (CROSSTALK)
I don't know.
Also, what I don't know is why search seven times in a small bedroom of a mobile home to find a key that is said to be lying outdoors.
I don't know where the other keys used to be on that key ring are.
MATTHEWS: Well, all the signs are that you think the police are right.
Let me ask you something that has nothing to do with the police and possible rail transport.
Why did this guy go out three weeks ago to buy handcuffed feet irons?
What benefits will you bring to them?
STRANG: I think these-I remember, these are things that his girlfriend or he bought at the adult sex store.
Matthews: iron feet?
They are described as foot irons.
I have never seen what I call foot irons.
I remember, you know, it's basically sex toys.
Matthews: As you can see now, is it possible for this guy to get a retrial?
I don't know.
In fact, his chances may lie in new evidence.
This is probably scientific.
This may be a fact. MATTHEWS: Yes.
Strong: You know, there's a secret guy. I don`t know.
This remains to be seen.
Matthews: Dean strong, thank you very much for coming to the hard ball tonight.
This is a tricky situation.
Strong: Next, in the face of a fierce attack, Chris Christie said Marco Rubio could not catch this sticky thing on his way to the White House.
This is how dirty it becomes;
32 days before the New Hampshire primary, things are getting worse, more personal, and sticky in the Republican hard ball race.
You see the hard ball of politics. (
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Chris Matthews, MSNBC host: Welcome back to the hard ball.
Last night, Republican President Priebus said that if Donald Trump or Ted Cruz wins the nomination, he can be sure they will come together and the party will come together
In fact, the whole party will support them. Let`s watch. (
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Fox News Sean hanniti: For now, both of the leaders in the polls are Trump/Cruz, and some in power hate them.
Do you believe in your heart? If they win, can you join the party together?
Reince priebus, chairman of RNC: I-100 %.
And, you know, the unity of what I have to do is that no matter who you are, everyone agrees that we have to have a national party and infrastructure to act together.
To be honest, Sean, I spoke to all the leaders of our party.
No matter who is the winner, everyone will lag behind. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MATTHEWS: Well, Donald Trump got on the cover of Time magazine this week with the title "How Trump Won It ".
The magazine says Trump has taken the party away from the old boss, citing "the crown prince in the Republican Party can't be like two-
The car parade, Trump has attracted the largest crowd so far.
He has the biggest social media footprint and launched the most violent attack on Hillary Clinton, while attracting as many potential candidates as possible to join the Republican Party.
So the Washington sympathizers from both parties are now calling the Republicans to ask if anyone on the Trump campaign?
Who is his diplomatic team?
I need to know them as soon as possible.
Very desperate.
I joined the round table tonight: Jennifer Rubin is a writer for The Washington Post, Jeremy Peters is a reporter for The New York Times, and Molly Bauer for the Atlantic
They're all heavyweights.
Reince pribas, sort of like Don nortes's move-Jennifer Rubin from The Washington Post: Yes, he's a little twitching.
Matthews: it's because he's afraid that if he doesn't say what he said just now, then Trump will say, I'm not being treated fairly? RUBIN: Yes.
Matthews: I'm walking. RUBIN: Right.
No one in this group would think that the Republican Party would be united for any of these people, especially Trump.
There will be a fisher in the party, and people talk about the third running water-Matthews: so isn't that a contradictory statement for a formal third-party candidate?
Jeremy Peters of The New York Times: If you think they have eurism with Trump, then Cruz's idea is even more frightening for Republicans.
Matthews: for me.
Cruz is not even fun.
Peters: That's right.
If any of these people are nominated, Republicans will lose 40 seats.
Rubin: the difference between Trump and Cruz is that if Trump gets the nomination, the party ends and if Cruz gets the nomination, they lose the election.
Atlantic Molly Bauer: What you see here is that there are no more republican institutions.
There is nothing these people can do.
They are shaking. CROSSTALK)
Bauer: I know some Republican leaders who are so weak and trembling. MATTHEWS: OK.
What's going on with this.
This is the second world war.
Chris Christie is in a good position with Marco Rubio in this ongoing street struggle in New Hampshire.
In response to Rubio's attack on his conservative credentials this week, Christie told The Washington Post, citing "I just don't think Marco Rubio will be sticky on his way to the White House.
He wants to post a bunch of negative ads. go ahead.
I hope he will admit at some point that I don't care at all.
It's like rubbish in football.
Ball: of course.
I mean, Christie is interested in these things.
He likes it, right?
He was never happy when someone went after him.
Christie likes this thing.
Ball: of course.
Matthews: Remember, it has nothing to do with you, Gail.
Remember to call in person: Well, it's too ironic, he accused Rubio of being thinner and then he left.
Matthews: Explain the battle.
Why are these two men the junior middleweight players of the sport and why are they fighting each other?
Rubin: they are fighting each other because one of them will be the last to stand on the "institutional side" that may not exist.
This is the mainstream, a bit conservative.
First of all, they will push it out in Iowa.
Check out Game 3 and Game 4-Matthews: anyway, but what's interesting about Christie is that in an interview with Laura Ingram on Wednesday, he launched the most against Rubio so far(
Start audio clips)GOV.
Chris Christie (R-NJ)
Presidential candidate: This guy is a spoon.
Every victory in his life made him tired.
This is the kind of person we want to play on the stage against Hillary Clinton?
I don't think so.
She would shoot him in the head and dig out his heart. (END AUDIO CLIP)
Matthews: she will shoot him in the head and dig out his heart.
Is this the way to oppose the cute aspect of Marco Rubio?
Okay, a nice guy. he's smooth. turned out.
So let's turn it into a disadvantage and let him
Hillary Clinton will shoot him in the head and dig out the child's heart.
Peters: That's right.
It's almost childish because what he's doing here is looking for one of Rubio's biggest weaknesses, he's young, boy-mad and inexperienced.
But no one can belittle opponents like Chris Christie except Donald Trump.
I think as Christie gets more and more under pressure to stand out from Trump's huge spotlight, he's going to do it-Matthews: By the way, I hate being regional and tribal, but he was the only Catholic from the northeast to compete.
No one understood that there was still a Catholic crowd outside, and the Irish and Italians who hated the Massachusetts moved to New Hampshire to escape taxes and the Liberal Party.
Rubin: The funny thing is-Matthews: you don't like this guy?
Rubin:-Trump is trying to do what Trump does to Bush to Rubio, in other words, to be a big mano and watch another person faint or collapse, and Rubio is not Bush.
Matthews: they all look politically correct compared to this guy.
Maine Governor Paul lepedge spoke for Christie in July.
On Wednesday this week, he gave a speech in which he made racial comments about drug traffickers trafficking in heroin to Maine. Let`s watch. (
Start Video Editing)GOV. PAUL LEPAGE (R)
Maine: first, I am now submitting a bill to the legislature to take the traffickers away.
Now the traffickers, these are drug addicts.
The names of these people are D-
These people from Connecticut and New York, money, smooth, cunning.
They came here, sold heroin and went home.
By the way, half the time they got a young white girl pregnant before leaving, it was sad because we had another problem and we had another one to deal. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Matthews: this is a potential embarrassment for Chris Christie, who supported lepedge for re-election two years ago.
In turn, LePage ran with Christie in New Hampshire and appeared with him last month.
The governor of Maine apologized for the comments today.
Molly, what do you think?
Bauer: Well, listen, I'm having a hard time getting rid of anything Paul lepedge says.
If you keep an eye on this guy's career, it's just the latest in a series of outrageous comments he makes.
So, if it's not awkward for Christie to run with him before, I don't understand why he's awkward now.
This guy is a bit like Trump.
He said something politically incorrect.
Matthews: I see.
I think standards have fallen sharply.
In any case, the round table will keep in touch with us.
Next, these three people will tell me something I don't know.
This is a place of politics, a hard state. (
Business break)
Matthews: President Obama has vetoed a bill that would repeal Obamacare and cancel the family planning fund.
In a letter to the House, the president wrote, "Republicans in Congress have tried more than 50 times to repeal or destroy the affordable medical bill, instead of re-fighting the old by re-voting to abolish the basic protection that provides security for the middle class
Members of Congress should work together to develop the economy, grow middle-class families and create new jobs.
We will be back soon. (
Business break)
Matthews: We went back to the hard ball round table.
Jennifer, tell me something I don't know.
Rubin: The most interesting thing that happened on the right is not Donald Trump, but on behalf of the Republican and Democratic efforts in poverty reform.
A man named Robert doer, son of John Doer, who is a well-known attorney for the Department of Justice and works with Bobby Matthews: of course.
Civil rights guy. RUBIN: Exactly.
He brought together Republicans, Democrats, people at the Brookings Institution and AEI.
They published a report on poverty, a report on hunger.
Paul Ryan, who meets with Doar, will meet with Republicans.
Matthews: I'm glad AEI is doing something about the economy right now, not the kind of new rant they 've been doing.
Go ahead, Jeremy.
Peters: this weekend, we were all drawn to the controversy of Marco Rubio Botz. Boot-
Gazi, Bootgate, what do you want to call it?
How high is he? PETERS: Five-eight, 5`9”.
Matthews: How high are the boots?
Peters: They're like two.
Inch thick heel anyway.
So there may be an idea that will make him a little more feminine.
So, today, what did the event launch?
An ad slapped his ass and asked him to throw football everywhere.
Matthews: kill him.
Go, Molly.
Bauer: I have to block my Matthews.
This has never been used before. Go ahead.
Bauer: I have to plug in my big work this week.
You can find it on the Atlantic Ocean. com.
It's about working families.
They try to make an equivalent for the tea party on the left.
Trying to move Democrats, trying to move the national dialogue.
Matthews: Who is that leader?
Dan Conto is the leader of the country.
They are very effective in New York.
Try to make it national.
Matthews: is it Bernie's stuff?
They recognized Bernie.
The question is, can they do it in the Bernie era?
Matthews: I want to read it. That`s great.
Thanks for our round table, Jennifer Rubin, Jeremy Peters, and Molly Bauer.
When we come back, let me finish my trip to Israel last week.
You see the hard ball of politics. (
Business break)
Matthews: Let me finish this tonight.
When I was performing last week, Catherine and I ended up in Israel.
This is my seventh visit to this country.
I am always anxious to return to the religious place of the saint himself.
I want to say one of the reasons is that whether you believe it or not, I had a great time in Jerusalem, 1971 when I was on my way home from Africa after two years with the Peace Corps.
During that time, I spent most of my time in a cheap hotel on Nablus road above the Damascus gate to the old town.
In fact, this is a picture until the beginning of the 20 th century, and what it was like last week.
Not much different, Damascus Gate.
This part of Jerusalem will never change.
When I was in the Old City of Jerusalem or the Church of the birth of Jesus not far from Bethlehem, there was nothing-in fact, there was no place I wanted to go.
This feeling has a strong, spiritual home.
I can only tell you the joy I get while wandering through closed channels.
There, they were part of the ancient city and moved out of the Christian district of Muslims and Jews within minutes.
Visit the Church of the Holy Sepulcher and listen to the call of prayer, even if the extreme Jews rush past on their way to the west wall.
This is a powerful place of prayer and is also a historical connection for people of Jewish faith everywhere.
Of course, all the time, hear the bells of the old Christian church.
We also made some stops in politics.
Catherine and I are here with one of our heroes, former Israeli President and Prime Minister Peres, who has been a guest of hard ball for many years, and retained the man's optimism and vision for the future of the Middle East.
He never gave up.
I also had an interesting meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya.
It is clear to me that he wants to end the divisions that often take place in this program on Iran's nuclear deal.
Whether you believe it or not, his time will not be more generous.
The greatest advantage of Israel is its strong democracy.
This is a country where everyone thinks they are prime ministers, completely within their rights, to say what they think about people who hold this job at any given time.
Unlike many countries in the region of the world, the people of Israel are not afraid to say what they think, including what they think of being elected prime minister on any day.
I personally think that I will not deny that the reason for my return to the Holy Land is my religious beliefs, my crazy mix of nostalgia for this land, all the time and my appetite in the world is in this land, and you all know it's a good argument.
In these three ways, I felt very comfortable when I was in Israel.
This is a hard ball now.
Thank you for being with us.
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