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Unidentified man: all in tonight.
Sam Nuber, former assistant to Trump's campaign: Mueller eventually wants to sue Roger.
Chris Hayes, MSNBC host: Roger Stone from the special adviser's on-board.
Roger Stone, former Trump campaign advisor: Under no circumstances will I testify against the president.
Hayes: Tonight, in response to Trump's long-growing case
Friends and confidants of time.
US President Donald Trump: Roger is a good man, a patriot.
Hayes: the summons from Stone's colleagues piled up.
Comedian Randy clidiko: I don't want to talk about it because I don't want to incite a special prosecutor.
Hayes: then, the ninth day of the Manafort trial.
The new testimony extends to the door of the White House, a year after charlottsville.
Trump: I think it's the responsibility of both sides.
Hayes: this information has become mainstream.
Jenny Piero, Fox News host: The American people have undergone tremendous demographic changes.
Hayes: everything is starting now. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: good evening in New York.
I'm Chris Hayes.
Roger Stone's former aide, a longtime adviser and close friend of the president of the United States, was found in contempt today for refusing a subpoena from special adviser Robert Mueller.
This is at least the third time that Andrew Miller, who works for Stone, has failed to appear in court to testify to a grand jury, so he may face imprisonment.
Miller is now the second stone-related witness who has been cut and run from the appearance of the grand jury.
You may recall Sam nuburg publicly collapsing in cable news after receiving the summons, who made it clear that he did not want to help his mentor guilty. (
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Ali, what I want to say is that Roger Stone is like a surrogate father-he is like my father.
Ari melber, MSNBC host: Do you feel loyal to him?
Nuburg: I'm not going there to get them to file a lawsuit against Roger. (END VIDEO CLIP)HAYES: OK.
After all this, Nunberg did testify in front of the grand jury a few days later.
Today, he told MSNBC that he thought Roger Stone was running out of days. (
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Well, Mueller finally wanted to sue Roger.
He-I think he will have a very high profile sexy charge for this indictment, conspiracy to defraud something related to hacking emailsmails.
As I said to you, my point is that Roger just betrayed himself rather than colluding with the Russians, and then what he would do is postpone the financial issues.
Hayes: Mueller's team continues to call witnesses related to stone. Just this afternoon, another former Manhattan Lady, Christine Davis, appeared before the grand jury hearing evidence and Mueller's investigation.
And Stone partner Randy clidiko.
It is reported that he is scheduled to testify on September 7.
It's not surprising that Roger Stone seems to find himself on the special advisor's line of sight.
Stone himself has confirmed that he was the one specifically mentioned in Miller's indictment of 12 Russian hackers last month.
"In August 15, 2016 or so, pretending to be the conspirators of the Gucci 2.
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Stone insists that his communication with the hacker is completely harmless, but there is other evidence that Stone may collude with Russians or their agents, including his own claim to be WikiLeaks in August 2016. (
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Next question.
Unidentified male: with respect to the surprise of October, given Julian Assange's suggestion of what he is going to do, what's your forecast for that?
Stone: Well, there may be a lot of things.
I passed the Assange ditch.
I believe the next part of the document is related to the Clinton Foundation, but I don't know what the surprise of October is. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: The Washington Post reported that Stone told two colleagues, including nuboger, that he had a conversation with Assange a few weeks before May 2016, I learned from Assange that WikiLeaks got an email.
Will torture emails from senior Democrats such as John Podesta.
That was five months before WikiLeaks released the stolen email from Podesta. mails.
Now, Andrew Miller, the one who didn't show up in court, is probably the one who didn't.
But his lawyer was in court and he told reporters that they planned to appeal Mueller's summons, which the federal judge had upheld.
At the same time, Miller may be sent to prison for refusing to obey.
As the reporter Marcy Wheeler points out, if this happens, it is possible for both Miller, Paul manafut and the accused Russian spy Maria boutina to be held in the same prison.
More about what happened today and what Roger Stone meant
The director of this wonderful documentary made me know Roger Stone and Benjamin Witte, legal analyst at MSNBC, the editor-in-chief of Lawfare.
Ben, let me start with you.
I mean, how often do they not show up when someone is called?
Benjamin Witters, legal analyst at MSNBC: Well, it's his way if you're going to challenge Bob Miller's appointment
That's what Miller did.
You start to revoke the summons and then you are sentenced to contempt and you appeal against the decision of the contempt, so this is actually not a completely improper way of questioning Miller's appointment.
What Miller wants to do
The problem is that Mueller's appointment is not flawed at all, so Judge Howell, the chief judge of the District Court here, wrote an opinion saying that there is no problem with the appointment, so the summons is valid and there is good reason to expect D. C.
I can't imagine the Supreme Court interfering in this matter.
So, at the end of the day, many Sturm and De Lang will be ordered to appear before the grand jury.
Hayes: you 've been with Roger Stone for four years.
You know the people in this circle.
Who is Andrew Miller?
What role does he play in Stone action?
Daniel Di Mauro
Director, pick up Roger stone for me: Well, it's kind of like his previous Nunberg and Michael Caputo.
He's a protester from Roger Stone.
He was originally a driver, this is the dark art politics that we learned from Roger and ended up participating in many activities with him, including York, who ran for the new Auditor General 2013 Times as Kristin Davis.
He also worked for Governor Gary Johnson, his 2012 presidential campaign.
So you know, he's basically done Roger's body and right hand for over 10 years.
Hayes: so close to him, like a very close partner?
Di Maro: And like nuburg, he is considered a surrogate father.
Hayes: there is an interesting background story here, and they have tried to challenge Miller once, you say again that's-the whole strategy doesn't seem to be as much as Andrew Miller wants to represent himself and more about what you're trying to do with a legal strategy after Mueller's investigation.
Yes, I think that's right.
I mean, I think there are really two questions here, right?
One is to use the challenge of Mueller's behavior to challenge him, and the other is that he seems to be fighting Roger Stone.
I don't know the exact nature of the case, but I will let you know.
If all your friends and colleagues start to receive a subpoena from the grand jury, it's a good sign that the prosecutor is interested in you, especially if they specifically mention in the indictment that you're acting as a Romanian hacker with foreign intelligence.
So I think you know that when you have everything-Hayes: It's a good rule of thumb.
This is a good rule of thumb.
You know, I think, you know, in any case, they're looking at something very serious about Roger Stone, and it seems to have reached the apex, so they are using this collage to attack the survey itself.
Hayes: You know, Stone said he knew he was going to be charged, or he thought he was going to be charged.
He is preparing.
He had a little trouble with Nunberg.
I mean, after following him for so long, how do you think he's prepared for this.
Of course, he doesn't seem to be worried, but I think it's within his M range. O.
But I mean, even if Kristin Davis testified on the grand jury today, they're definitely going to get close to him, so shortly after she's interviewed by Miller, I think you know, it is a very clear sign that they are seeking to file charges against him, similar to Manafort-which may have nothing to do with Russian hacking or collusion, that's probably what he used to do. that's probably what Andrew Miller knew. HAYES: Davis (INAUDIBLE)
Is it near here?
Yes, yes, of course.
Hayes: was she there when you made the film?
Yes, it's actually the kind of movie before the movie, if you want.
But we followed her 2013 auditor general campaign, and she was actually competing with Elliott Spitzer, who was trying to make a comeback at the time.
The campaign failed because she was arrested by the FBI and then arrested for selling prescription drugs, the second time she went to jail until I thought it was possible for her to be released from prison on 2016.
So her knowledge of working for Roger didn't really happen during the Trump campaign, and with Andrew Miller's help, he was brought back to the circle during the Republican National Committee.
He was with Roger in Cleveland, and for a few months after that, he was definitely working for him.
Hayes: one of the most striking things, you know, is that we have had Miller mention some cases.
We know he mentioned that some people who work in D don't have FARA registered. C.
It's not Paul Manafort for you. S. attorneys.
We know he transferred Michael Cohen to the Southern District.
He did not mention this.
I mean, this is the Miller grand jury looking at Stone.
WITTES: Yes, I think that's right, I think the reason is very clear, if you look at GRU, the hacking indictment, the link to Roger Stone is something that colluded, right?
At the heart of the Mueller survey is the coordination between Russia's intervention in the 2016 election and anyone associated with the Trump campaign.
The person who made this most clear in the document itself was Roger Stone.
So I think this is the most open aspect of us, in addition to the Trump Tower conference, which is the heart and soul of the Miller survey.
Hayes: That's a good point, and I keep going back to the frequency they mentioned that he was in contact with senior campaign officials in the prosecution of Russian officials a few weeks ago.
Dan Di Mauro and Ben Witters, it's amazing that both of you are here.
With more information on the legal dangers that Roger Stone may face, Paul Butler and mi Rocca joined me as former federal prosecutors and current MSNBC law
Mimi, I'll start with you first.
I want to play Andrew Miller's lawyer.
Andrew Miller is represented by a conservative action group that clearly sees him as a cause and a wider attack on Mueller's investigation.
That's what he's going to say. (
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Andrew Miller lawyer Paul Camina: in order to appeal Judge Howell's decision, challenge the constitutional nature of the special counsel, you must have a contempt order in order to go to the court of appeal.
This is a major precedent in this case, and with respect to the terms of appointment, it is a serious constitutional issue
Miller was properly appointed. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: now they have a trial in the district court.
They tried to say that he was not improperly appointed, that the judge brought a lawsuit against them and that they are now trying to escalate.
Mimi rocah, legal analyst at MSNBC: in fact, I think twice, because I believe Judge Ellis, and also Manafort, raised the issue with Judge Ellis, so this is
There is, therefore, good reason to believe that, on appeal, they will be ruled by the judge.
But as I mean by the exchange, if they want to challenge on appeal, it's a challenge, you know, it's risky because if they lose, he's either going to the grand jury or he's going to jail.
I mean, they don't have to do that, but the judge has a full right to do that.
I have a lot of cases in the district court and I have been involved in cases where organized crime is common and it always goes back to that analogy and you know they don't want to go to the grand jury, because I think it was just against their religion and they were put in jail.
You may be put in jail before you agree to testify, or you know, I think you can be sentenced to up to two years in prison.
Hayes: though, Paul, he can-I mean you can go to the grand jury and defend the fifth right?
Paul Butler, legal analyst at MSNBC: in fact, he can say in some of his papers, well, I don't know anything about collusion or obstruction, so I don't know why they want to talk to me, at the same time, he said, but if I am forced to testify and I am going to take the fifth one, then why don't you know and then take the fifth one?
It's kind of like Mary passing through Washington DC. C.
The circuit will most likely come back with a round of applause and say that he was pulled into the grand jury to testify.
But Chris, beyond this chance of success, Miller's entire investigation has been completed.
This is a summary because it is not only about Roger Miller, but also about whether Miller has a constitutional mandate to conduct this investigation.
Hayes: That's a good point.
Their argument is an existential attack on Mueller's authority.
It basically says that the creation of this institution is in violation of the terms of the constitutional appointment-which is in violation of the Constitution. And if a D. C.
The Court of Appeal will find that, I mean, it could go up to the Supreme Court, right?
Yes, it can.
Hayes: But if the final ruling of any of the courts is that, as far as Paul is concerned, it will solve all the problems.
I mean, definitely.
This could be what you know, breaking the straw on the back of the camel, or one of those things.
This will be very bad for Mueller's investigation.
But, I mean, you know, we can go down this road.
I mean-Hayes: you just don't think it's very likely that I think, given that you know that this regulation is being written, considering that you know a lot about the water gate incident special advisor, this is unlikely.
So there is something written in it, such as the main content that he has to report to the deputy attorney general.
But now the deputy attorney general in this case.
So I think you know what the judge is saying in this case is that you know it's good to raise these questions, but there's no right, no, I think that's where we are.
Hayes: I want to ask you a very surreal moment that happened today.
Sean hanniti had a radio show, and the president's lawyer took over the day, the guest host, as you know.
Just drive with Giuliani and Sekulow and call for a long time for the first time.
I have a question for you.
Listen to some. (
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Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump's lawyer: Flynn is an example. No crime.
The president said that if everyone said it, it would be a little more tolerant to him.
Jay Secolo, Donald Trump's lawyer: the president said-Giuliani: he didn't say-he didn't say stop, don't do it, so there's no crime.
However, this has not happened, according to the president.
That's true, according to Comey.
Of course, it's important if that's the case, but you will-but your rights.
If there are two different memories of a meeting, now do you say about setting up perjury?
Giuliani: Yes. (END AUDIO CLIP)
Hayes: Have you ever seen such a thing in your life?
No, that's great.
I don't think Giuliani would shock me because he said a lot of ridiculous things you know.
But the kind of behavior they do, they take over a radio show for debate on behalf of their clients.
Hayes: they answered the phone. I'll tell you.
I mean, I think Giuliani has been avoiding this issue, and it seems to me, you know, that the line of violation of the rules of professional conduct of lawyers has now been crossed.
I don't know who or where the exact process of making a complaint is, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone filed a complaint.
Because if this is a procedure, if he is a lawyer in court proceedings, he can absolutely not do so.
Butler: and Chris Rockey:-it's almost the case, because there's a lawsuit in the federal court.
A trial is now under way and there will be others, which is clearly what they are doing.
They want to poison the American public jury.
Butler: these guys, they don't need to be on T. V.
The president's lawyers need to be prepared for anything that could happen.
The president has tweeted 400 times about Mueller's investigation.
This month, only August 10, he is more likely than ever to handle Twitter this month.
He was scared, and it had something to do with Roger Stone in the first part.
So, Chris, the first scene is a lawsuit against Russian hacking emails.
The Mail, the tw0 act, could be a prosecution against Roger Stone, and if that happens, the third act would be very notable.
Hayes: Well, let me say that.
They understood what Giuliani said, and he thought it was entirely a political process, not a legal one, because he basically said, look, the only one (INAUDIBLE)
The patron of the impeachment political process, so he is doing something beyond-ROCAH: That's right.
But the problem is that he said so, but he is a lawyer and he still has to follow the rules.
Paul Butler and Mimi Rocca, thank you for joining us.
Next, the trial of Paul Manafort arrived at the White House, but during his tenure as president of the Trump campaign, testimony about Manafort's conduct ended in two minutes. (
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Hayes: Today, the trial of Paul Manafort falls on the door of the White House, because today in the ninth day of the proceedings, a witness testified, how Paul Manafort may have used the campaign team, and even in the process of his resignation to hand over the possible work of the Trump administration to the bank CEO for more than a month, he also came into contact with the Trump team Bank.
Dennis LACO, a senior advisor to the Federal Savings Bank of Chicago, the president, testified in court in the event of an exemption, the bank's CEO, Stephen Kark, thinks he may have some role in the Trump administration.
The CEO of the bank wants this, the Minister of Finance or the Minister of HUD or the minister of the Army.
Rick Gates testified earlier that Manafort tried to get the bank to the position of Army Secretary.
Stephen Calk, the bank's chief executive, finally got the jobs but Manafort had two different bank loans totaling $16 million, and a few days later, the election, another engagement to take office in January.
More information on today's testimony, as well as the legal issues that Eli Vogel discussed with me, he is a former assistant to the United StatesS.
Lawyers in southern New York.
What do you think of today's testimony?
Former assistant to the United StatesS.
Attorney for the Southern District of New York: So, you know, all of a sudden, I think there may be two different crimes here.
First of all, there is a fraudulent bank federal savings bank, because it seems that people with Manafort quicklime and others who want to borrow money will not get a $16 million loan are already in debt.
This has never happened, so this is a bank fraud charge.
Some ideas might be bribery, wouldn't they?
I mean, they're talking about these outrageous cabinet positions, and in exchange for that huge loan they 've made to Manafort, I think this answers to the fact that this is why Manafort, at such a strange time, took the job without pay when he was just eliminated by Ukrainian businesses-Hayes: and despair.
Yes, this is the schedule because I think it is--
We should enlarge this. He joins —
Manafort joined the Trump campaign in March 29, 2016.
He resigned on August 19.
He's been there for a few months, right?
You know, they had dinner in his months.
He had dinner with a bank CEO.
On July, their son in manafut and manaffort --in-
Manafort asked for a resume from Calk on August 3.
On November 11, karke thought he might find a job in the Trump administration, and five days later, the loan agreement ended at $9.
5 million Paul Manafort said, I will give you a few words. HONIG: Right.
I mean, there is no reasonable explanation.
I mean, I don't know why Trump wants him.
I don't know why he didn't have the money to pick up the job but you know, it all started to come together and tell you some stories about why he became a campaign manager. HAYES: Right.
This story-and I find it interesting, this is the first time-you know, this trial is primarily related to his activities before Manafort enters the Trump track, but here, he used the position in a corrupt way and is said to be right?
The testimony is that he used his proximity to power to commit to employment to get bank loans, the closest we have in our campaign to the actual government.
Craig: Yes, this is a key turning point in the Manafort timeline, right?
He lived a lot.
He has his crazy wardrobe and his landscape and so on.
He earns tens of millions of dollars a year.
His business went bankrupt and then he began to lie to the bank because he had to keep his way of life.
We saw the way he got these loans and he lied.
He lied completely.
He tampered with the documents and he asked Gates to lie to him about things like Yankee tickets.
But he also seems to have taken advantage of his position in the Trump administration.
Hayes: You know, another theme of the Trump era is like a liar.
Because everyone is lying, everyone is like a liar.
Speaking of which, there seems to be a book on the subject.
Basically, you 've-you 've got Paul Manafort to tell this guy that, based on testimony, he's trying to apply for a loan and you're probably going to be appointed Minister of Finance, which is a ridiculous lie.
HONIG: It sounds like you're part of the case that we're talking about.
We said it was a liar.
They will attack Rick Gates. they will say Rick Gates is a liar. you can't believe them.
Yeah? You can`t flip.
Without some scammers taking you through, you won't be able to get into a closed secret criminal organization.
So you took out a page from the Southern District closing script.
Hayes: Well, I also find it amazing that Manafort got out of the woods because at the end of the day, Manafort took a $16 million walk with him and KARK didn't work either.
HONIG: Yes, that's a lot of evidence for the government, right, because-HAYES: It's a lot of money. HONIG: Right.
Compare it to Gates-because defense is all gates, all numbers --two guy.
Big name-big boss don't know about it.
But look at the money.
Manafort earned ten times as much as Gates.
So-Hayes: Yes, yes.
It's hard to say this is Gates. this is everything.
HONIG: Yes, also pay attention to this at the close.
Hayes: OK, Eli Hogg, thank you very much for your time.
Still, Laura Ingraham is afraid of a huge demographic change in her country.
Next, I will talk to a woman running for Congress who is causing a panic in Laura Ingraham.
A year later, our own Trymaine Lee returned to charlottsville.
How he got rid of the reform of the hate movement after the white supremacist. (
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Hayes: white supremacists gathered in Charlottsville, Virginia, with the Tiki torch, chanting, "Jews will not replace us, on the surface, "Blood and soil" is to protest the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee.
Our own Trymaine Lee traveled from Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi to Alabama to the former Southern Union and met with some people who still remember the Southern Union monument.
What did you find?
Trymaine lee, MSNBC correspondent: Yes, Chris, after a year in Charlottsville, I really want to get a better idea of the deep links of these monuments, right?
So I went south and grabbed John elligon, a riding partner of the New York Times, and we really talked to the people in the community where these monuments are located, learn about the deep family connections between slave dealers and slaves.
We learned a lot along the way.
It's really eye catching. opening.
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Li: First of all, would you mind not saying or spelling your first and last names for us?
My name is Gordon, G-O-R-D-O-N.
My name is cotton C. O-T-T-O-
Like you chose.
We're gone.
So, the fuss about the Confederacy statues, flags and slavery, is it time for us to move forward?
Cotton: No, if we continue to move forward in this regard, we will exclude everything from our history.
Will we be selective about what we are going to keep and what we are going to forget?
Li: But what about the idea of these people fighting for slavery?
Cotton: It's not all they fight for because our home is invaded so they are fighting.
The whole thing is based on money.
Most things are like this.
Li: back to what happened in Charlottsville.
Someone was killed.
Someone was shot.
Someone was beaten.
Will you be surprised when you see people being so vicious about Robert E's defense
Lee and the others?
COTTON: Well, they're not the ones who started it, defend it, yes, I can understand, but they're not the ones who started it.
If people do not want to tear down a beautiful monument, such a thing will not happen.
Li: Maybe they should move to a place where they can be respected, not in a place where the public shows, where there is nothing but sending some kind of message.
I don't agree with you at all.
It happened here, and we remember it here.
What do you think of Jefferson Davis?
He is my personal hero.
I think he is one of the greatest figures in American history.
Woman: he is clearly the one who supports the expansion of slavery.
Should this weaken or tarnish his legacy?
No, because he's not the only one.
I think growing up in this community 7 miles from Brierfield, going to a school called Jefferson Davis, they can destroy everything they can, but they will never destroy this person(END VIDEOTAPE)
Hayes: A well-planned documentary, The Stone Ghost: a trip to the Southern Union from Charlottsville to Selma.
It is now online on NBCNews. com/stoneghost.
I want you to stay with us.
A year after that, we will have more information about the state of the Union. (
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Trump: I think it's the responsibility of both sides.
Look at both sides, I think there is a fault on both sides, and I have no doubt about it.
You have no questions about this either. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Charlottsville, Virginia is preparing for the first anniversary of a white supremacist rally that killed one person.
Here, a former white supremacist rally killed one person and injured many others.
After a year, what has changed and nothing has changed.
At my table, our own Trymaine Lee and Christian Picciolini, a former white supremacist, are now trying to separate people from the movement.
On Sunday, MSNBC aired a new documentary about his journey, breaking hatred.
Chris, I'm glad you're here.
I think my question for you is, Chris, as someone who is part of the white supremacist group movement, is Charlottsville a victory or a failure for the movement.
Christian picchiolini, a former white supremacist: Chris, you know, I think it's a win because any form of propaganda is-they think it's good for them.
They went to progressive areas such as Charlottsville or Berkeley, even in the 1970-year-old Scotty Illinois where the American Nazi Party marched because they tried to provoke people, we are still talking about this issue a year later.
Unfortunately Heather Heyer was killed for this and they threatened to come back, something they have been doing for decades.
I did it 30 years ago.
We used to attend larger rallies than Charlottsville and did the same thing.
Hayes: You know, one of the things you encounter in your report is-not that much-like those who take tiki torches on the streets of Charlottsville are not accidental Robert E. Lee.
Ideology says this is the people we should honor, and to some extent they are the most honest about what it means.
Li: It's like an idealized version of history, though it's so much-it's a history with lots of romance and myths.
When children grow up in these communities, you will feel their old people, such as Sir.
The 82-year-old cotton was surrounded by statues.
Without going through the Jefferson Davis Highway, it's hard to go anywhere in the South.
Their school is named after Robert E. Lee.
It continues to fuel itself and the idea of the reason for this loss.
We are still watching the show.
Your idea of fighting for beauty and some sort of purity, whether in your Christianity, whether it's to keep this country as white as possible, or you want to push Brown people back to the border, or stop them from flying in.
You cannot separate the roots and leaves of the tree.
Hayes: you came from the north.
I mean, you're from Chicago.
We see A lot of people-I mean, in. C.
The front line's Thompson documentary is the University of California, Los Angeles graduate school, which works for Northrop Grumman.
How do people get involved in the campaign?
How did white people get involved in the campaign?
PICCOLINI: Well, I think it's important to understand that it's not usually about ideology. The pre-
Radicalization is much earlier than that, and it's about finding identity, community, and purpose.
If we meet what I call potholes on the journey of life, sometimes it will make us detour, but there will always be a very savvy recruiter waiting for vulnerable groups, it is their model that they look for vulnerable groups.
Back in my time, we will do this outside of the punk rock concert.
Today, the Internet has turned into a punk rock concert because there are a lot of disenchanted young people on the internet who just live there.
They can do whatever character they want and then they will fall into the rabbit hole and get sucked in.
Hayes: let the president of the United States say, you know, there's a responsibility on both sides, does that help with hiring?
Pincorini: Yes.
Hayes: You know, he used all sorts of parables of white supremacy and racist language, called African countries behind the scenes. hole countries.
Is it helpful for sports?
Absolutely.
I mean, this is their language.
So, 30 years ago, we realized that the language we were using was delaying normal white American racism, so we decided to massage the language and change the look, from boots to suits, david Duke did the same in his early 90 s, when he won the Louisians House seat after leaving the Klan hood.
But that's why they actually try to massage and normalize it.
Unfortunately, it works.
The president absolutely supports that.
Hayes: You know one thing about Heather Heyer's mother and family living in the aftermath of white supremacist terror and violence, another part of the Southern heritage you commemorate in your report.
I want to play this from the documentary, in which you talk about a woman named Josephine Bolin mccaur whose father was lynched. Take a listen. (
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Li: What did you miss when you thought there was no him.
Josephine Bo mccauler (ph)
My mother went from rich to poor almost overnight.
Sometimes I wonder what my life would be like if he lived.
What will my life be like? (END VIDEO CLIP)
Li: think about the mourning and trauma of these people over the years, in Charlottsville, when they are ready to commemorate the year.
Li: symbolism is not gentle at all.
You can see the bunlian flag with statues in every corner.
But they send a clear message to the blacks that you are still in the shadow of white supremacy.
For those who are misled, those who are looking for some identity and finding their identity in their white, this is feasible, right, because eventually at the end of the day, the result was racial terror.
Of course, there is a journey among white people who are going through this process, but on the other side we often go to the Lynch Memorial in Montgomery, Alabama.
You can see 4,000 names, which is just the name of the lynching on the record.
But more people are discarded in shallow graves or rivers, which is always about violence and putting people in their place.
Hayes: there is now a debate about how to deal with the rise of white supremacists, white nationalist rhetoric.
You know, it's being led in a way that's getting less and less disguised, getting closer and closer to the mainstream of American life.
There is a question about persuasion and argument, such as can you argue with this ideology, or do you have to defeat it?
What do you think?
Picolini: Well, you know, I think that's a question that everyone is thinking about right now.
You know, I think we can have these conversations without supporting ideology, and we don't support ideology when we do.
The work I do is based on empathy, so I sit across from white supremacists almost every day, or I talk to them because my goal is to try and inspire them, not through ideological arguments, but through humanization.
So, I'm trying to destroy the demonization that happens in their heads by introducing them to people they hate.
This is really a very powerful thing for people.
Hayes: is that useful?
PICCOLINI: absolutely effective.
It has been working more than 200 times.
I work with more than 200 people to help them out of hate groups.
I can tell you almost by one person that each of them will tell you the sympathy they get from people who don't even know that they think they hate to change them and that's changing their minds.
Hayes: Lee Tyman and Christian picolini, it's amazing that both of you are here.
Documentary about Chris's work, breaking hatred, Sunday at 9: 00m.
East of MSNBC.
You must have a look.
Thank you very much for coming here.
Two years ago, she was forced to withdraw from Trump's speech by questioning the then Republican candidate.
Tonight, after winning the Democratic primary in Congress, she was my guest.
Rahida tarabh joined me ahead of time.
Also, who needs a good voting number when you have Photoshop?
The first thing tonight, the second thing starts.
The first thing tonight, the second thing starts. (
Business break)
Hayes: first thing tonight, Donald Trump certainly has no sense of shame when bragging about his success or his popularity, even if it's a complete-blown lie. (
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Unidentified male: You said today that you won the biggest electoral advantage since Ronald Reagan with a vote of 304 or 306.
In fact, President Obama received 365 pounds in 2008.
Unidentified man: President Obama, 332And George H. W.
426 when Bush was elected president
Why do Americans believe you?
TRUMP: Well, no, I was told-I got that information.
Just gave it to me.
Our profits are very, very large.
I got this information.
As a matter of fact, I have seen this information.
But it was a very big victory.
Do you agree? (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Donald Trump got all sorts of information, like a recent tweet, claiming his approval rating was 90%, but didn't mention it was just a Republican.
A few days later, Trump told the Sun, "I was the most popular person in Republican history and defeated Lincoln.
I beat the Honest Abe.
In fact, President Bush, other President Bush, President Reagan, President Nixon, President Eisenson are at least as popular as Republicans to some extent.
To understand this, there was no Gallup poll during the civil war.
But the president's vague grasp of numbers runs in the family.
Take little Donald Trump as an example
Always seeking approval from his father, he posted some incredible poll numbers on Instagram this week that seem too good, untrue, and the numbers seem to change.
It's the second one in 60 seconds. (
Business break)
Donald Trump Jr.
I always try to make dad happy, so he posted some new presidential votes that looked good on Instagram this week.
Wow, look, Trump is at 50%.
There's nothing better than 50%.
Look at Obama and dad's 45-year-old are insignificant. As Don Jr. wrote, amazing.
I guess there's a magic wand that can make things happen and @ RealDonaldTrump seems to have it, # maga, # americafirst.
Pay attention to spelling mistakes in the United States. Magic.
Photoshop magic
Take a closer look and you will find that 50% has been edited very clearly on the original drawing with 40% written on it. Don Jr.
He dropped the post this afternoon after a lot of people pointed out the issue, but hey, he just got the message. (
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Trump: I got this information.
As a matter of fact, I have seen this information.
But it was a very big victory.
Do you agree?
Man: You are the president.
Okay, thank you. Good answer. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
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Laura Ingraham of Fox News: In some parts of the country, the United States we know and love seems to be no longer there.
Massive demographic changes have been imposed on the American people.
None of us voted for these changes, which most of us don't like. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: two days ago, Trump TV host Laura Ingraham's rant won the approval of former KKK wizard David Duke, who made the point on Twitter, one of the most important true monologue in mainstream media history.
There are also headlines like this, "White nationalists win.
Quoting Adam Seva of the Atlantic, Graham and other right-wing speakers echoed the white nationalist claim that the United States is in danger, because the country views the existence of non-white, citizen, or non-citizen as an argument to the survival threat of the country.
It is true that the country is becoming more diverse, but the problem is that a large part of the country believes that this is not a threat to survival, but a real benefit that deserves to be celebrated.
This year, there has been an incredible surge in Democratic candidates from various backgrounds.
People like Alexander occassio
Cortes's comments caused the roar of Laura Ingram and the two we saw on the show-Sharice Davids.
The Democrat is now ready to become the first Muslim woman ever elected to Congress, rahida TRAB, where she interrupted Trump's speech in Detroit on 2016.
Tlaib was one of several protesters who were dragged out of the hall that day.
On Tuesday, she won the Michigan Democratic primary in area 13.
Tlaib is the daughter of Palestinian immigrants and the eldest of 14 children.
She is now ready to represent an area of 57% Africans.
He is an American who served as a civil rights icon, John Conyers, who resigned from Congress last year on sexual harassment charges.
And now I'm from Detroit with rahida.
Congratulate you on your victory.
This is a really controversial primary.
You have this incredible inspector of the legend of John Conyers, and the way he hangs on it.
I think my first question is how did you win?
Rahida TLAIB, Democratic congressional nominee in Michigan: I think what I'm focusing on is human engagement.
I think people really underestimate the conversations you can have with them when you look at their faces and eyes and look at their porch.
I think it changed their minds and minds when people realized it-in fact, I was able to attract me and see that I really wanted to elevate them and help them thrive.
I really, really believe this is because of that aggressive center around the door-to-
The door of direct human contact.
Hayes: You know, there are 57% Africans in this area.
In this conversation about diversity and representation, you find yourself in a position where you have an interesting representative character of your own.
What do you think?
TLAIB: Well, I think it's because I grew up in an African-based community --American.
Many of the things I do around social justice and civil rights are very much in line with the needs and priorities of my 13 Congressional district family.
I don't think so far, you know, this kind of conversation about disconnection, I'm not an African --American.
I can tell you that I will be with a lot of people with the lens of African growthAmerican.
I think there is a lot of discussion about this connection and trauma in the process of black American growth.
I recognize this and I am honored that this is why I always surround myself with that lens and that experience.
Hayes: you have an agenda or position, similar to some of the others on the left of the caucus-Alexander okasio --
Of course, Cortes won Elementary School in a highly democratic area, abolished ice, universal health insurance, a minimum wage of $15, and a tuition-free university.
You say to those who say that people like you provide Republicans with a useful cartoon depicting the terrible socialists who are about to scare off the middle of the United States.
We did not scare anyone away.
I think we are kind of like the mother bear of the upcoming religious delegation. It`s true.
I don't think you'll find any women who don't want to be members of the constituency, especially women of color, who don't really put them at the heart of their perception, as they move forward
Regardless of the background of everyone, we can embrace them and help everyone live in a free and just society.
I'm really happy to show so many people across the country that I'm not only Detroit, Democrats, progressives, women, not just in the congressional district of the 13 th, leaving people with less fear.
I mean, they shouldn't be afraid of us.
We are really an incredible breed and I can't wait to work with Alexander okasioCortez.
I can't wait to help Ilhan Omar of Minnesota get elected next Tuesday.
I want to join hands with these beautiful women who really have the heart we need in Congress.
In this culture, this is really something that is completely missing, and this culture is now in the United States. S. congress.
Hayes: Do you think completely differently, if you win, what will your life and work look like-I should say your chances of winning are more than at this point-should you really get into Congress, most likely, the difference between being a minority member and a minority member?
TLAIB: You see, you know, I'm a former legislator in Michigan, I work in most states, I work in a few states, and I know it's bigger.
But I know that, if your work and your issues surrounding the constituency, your area, and if those are the issues at your center, then you will be able to work.
Even in minorities, I was able to do more in bringing resources back to my community, because I have a community service center in the center of my area, as a member of Congress, I will continue to do so.
It keeps me grounded and keeps me focused, it helps me bring resources to my family at this time.
So they're not waiting for us-you, we either go through Medicare or raise the minimum wage or let you know everything that I think is very important and important to us.
But yes, now I want them to connect with these resources, and sometimes it doesn't matter because we are the majority or the minority.
Hayes: OK, rahida tarabh, thank you so much for being with me tonight.
TLAIB: Thank you for inviting me.
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